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Created by: Arcady

11/25/09 @ 12:46am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Well I'm not sure if others talked about this things but i have a few complains maybe suggestions. One would the the very very bad idea of letting the greys becoming members without a credit card, now we don't have rude greys,we have rude white members without even a credit card, and we cannot even ban them when rude and demanding. Another thing will be the courtains, I think was ok to let them open from time to time, so people will have a clue about the pvt. Third will be about the contest, no offense but they got cheap, I mean 2 days contest with the prize of just one. There were good changes but the one with Members without a credit card it's a really bad one....if others think the same post or complains and suggestions.

With love... Arcady

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Created by: Hadess

11/25/09 @ 12:52am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Hey Arcady...i am agree regarding the grey's,to not be able to regoster without a credit card...regarding the courtains,,its more better the way they r now..opening not so often like before.because..this way many of them were jerking off in our room,while we were in pvt...just watching those courtains opening...its excellent that they r opening rarely,and it takes a short time..its enough for them to make an ideea about what happening in pvt...they want a a lot,for nothing
Regarding contest,yes..they got cheaper...doing 2 days contest for less money,but..in the end..its better than nothing..dont u think?

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Hadess

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Created by: Arcady

11/25/09 @ 1:20am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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:Well some of the Members said that will quit their membership that's my concerned we have to think of them too, about prizes yeah better than nothing but still why not going up than going down?

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Created by: Kevin James

11/25/09 @ 1:36am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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A lot of members may make the threat but truthfully flirt is one of a kind and likely not going to have them leave over the changes.

It helps the models from getting "ripped off" by those who just jerk off with the curtains...its not fair to us OR the member paying for the private!

These are good changes with the exception of the contests.

All is good so far and the changes were NEEDED!!!

KJ

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Created by: Jasper Banff

11/25/09 @ 2:54am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Well on these subjects guys, I have to agree more with Arcady. Now that we have to deal with fake whites, who are in facts greys in disguise, I think we loose time to convince them for some fun in private, if they don't have a credit card to buy some time. Plus, we can have underage without knowing it. For the curtains, I think now the delay is a little bit long. Maybe before it was too short. The middle time could be good. But so far I didn't see any improvement in members doing voyeur while I'm in private. For the contests, let's say, it's always better to move forward than backward.

Take care everybody

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Created by: Stefano

11/25/09 @ 4:01am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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YEAH that idea that everyone can be member now is sick ... not talking about that every 14years old kid can be white and see naked stuff here :bulb

and truth we got much more rude whites in room nowdays...

about PROMOS we go down with prices but hadess is right stil better that any

Btw great topic for discussion ANDY
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Created by: Santi Perez

11/25/09 @ 9:57am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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totally agree with you...

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Created by: Kevin James

11/25/09 @ 10:49am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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My Voyeur seems to be going up since the change which is better than hearing "thanks man you were hot" when I know the member didn't even go into voyeur.

I'm thinking that we should give it a solid 30-60 days before we really start saying much so that we can see from a better point of view.

These changes were made day's ago and of course there will always be a little unrest at the beginning.

Lets give it some time and go from there.

VS has the best interest of ALL of us on here...members, models, studios and of course themselves.

You can't please everyone but if the majority like it that solidifies that it was a good update.

KJ :thumbsup

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Created by: tetchh

11/25/09 @ 1:22pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Just checked ... there are 68 male models available on this site and ONLY 5 are in a 'private'.

To what extent, is this the result of the success or the failure of the new curtain policy?

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Created by: tetchh

11/25/09 @ 1:27pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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:Well some of the Members said that will quit their membership that's my concerned we have to think of them too, about prizes yeah better than nothing but still why not going up than going down?

Quite a few VIPs have resigned from VIP membership, me included.

I will remain as an ordinary member. The problem is that models will not be able to tell the difference between a 'white' member like me, that pays for a lot of 'privates'* and those new members that have joined this site since the 'grey' changes.

* Sorry Arcady, I have yet to enjoy the pleasure of your company.

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Created by: Kevin James

11/25/09 @ 2:15pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Created by: tetchh

11/25/09 @ 2:45pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I have popped on flirt when I am off and seen 105 with 7 in private before the change...

Again with the added voyeur increase its been better for me and less guys saying "thanks for the free show" when I am in private with another members willing to pay.

Can't please everyone but I do hope those great members that understand will stick around.

Its a premium site with premium models.

Tough to find.

KJ

Hi Kevin.

Those annoying guys that say to you "thanks for the free show" can still do so. They will still be here waiting for the curtain to open. They will not suddenly be using the'voyeur' option. They will still be remaining on this site.

However, members like me, that spend a good deal of money here and who used the peeping facility in a positive manner, have been alienated. I believe we have been alienated needlessly by the change in policy.

In addition, the manner with which the change was made, was awful. It was bought in without any notice and without being part of a package of measures that could have included some other benefits and rewards to long-standing and loyal members.

I know one thing for certain ... I have often used the 'voyeur' service when a 'private' has been to my liking. And I have also often gone 'private' when a model has impressed me in somebody else's 'private' I will never do that again. I will spend my money on other sites and just visit this site to see a couple of favourite models that are not available elsewhere.

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Created by: American Dave

11/25/09 @ 2:52pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Hi Kevin.

Those annoying guys that say to you "thanks for the free show" can still do so. They will still be here waiting for the curtain to open. They will not suddenly be using the'voyeur' option. They will still be remaining on this site.

However, members like me,that spend a good deal of money here and who used the peeping facility in a positive manner, have been alienated. I believe we have been alienated needlessly by the change in policy.

In addition, the manner with which the change was made, was awful. It was bought in without any notice and without being part of a package of measures that could have included some other benefits and rewards to long-standing and loyal members.

I know one thing for certain ... I have often in used the 'voyeur' service when a 'private' has been to my liking. And I have also often gone 'private' when a model has impressed me in somebody else's 'private' I will never do that again. I will spend my money on other sites and just visit this site to see a couple of favourite models.

Tetchh, with all due respect, I'm not quite sure what other site you will visit that will give you any kind of a preview of what is actually going on when a model is in private. I know all of the major sites have either a window up saying the model is in private with NO preview whatsoever, or a very small keyhole (some make you pay for it) of what's going on in a private session where you can hardly determine what's going on at all. I can understand the frustration to a degree, but you are still getting a preview here at F4F unlike that which any other site - that I am aware of - will give you.

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Created by: tetchh

11/25/09 @ 3:04pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Tetchh, with all due respect, I'm not quite sure what other site you will visit that will give you any kind of a preview of what is actually going on when a model is in private. I know all of the major sites have either a window up saying the model is in private with NO preview whatsoever, or a very small keyhole (some make you pay for it) of what's going on in a private session where you can hardly determine what's going on at all. I can understand the frustration to a degree, but you are still getting a preview here at F4F unlike that which any other site - that I am aware of - will give you.

Hi there.

Simple answer.

I will go to a site that offers far better deals for 'privates'.

This site is expensive. I am happy to pay the extra money that is charged and have been doing so for several years. BUT, in return, I expect a superior experience and a better service. If this is going to be stopped, there is no point in staying here and paying more. I will explore one or two of the alternative sites.

Also, many of my favourite models from this site, are available on these other sites. Without the 'extras' that this site has offered in the past, I may as well visit them in their other homes and save some money.

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Created by: Arcady

11/25/09 @ 4:11pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Flirt is the best i ever worked on, but when you reach a certain point when everybody is happy with some changes could just ruin the harmony between models and members and also VS, i'm not complaining just saying my opinion

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Created by: jc316

11/25/09 @ 8:18pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: jc316

11/25/09 @ 8:30pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I couldn't agree more with this. I too, spend a great deal of money here and don't feel that I have ever abused the peeping facility. In fact I felt it was a nice perk for those of us that spend much time on this site. Those annoying customers who got their "jollies" while in open, will never spend the money to go private or voyeur, regardless of the curtain length time.

There are many good features on this site, but i see a trend in the wrong direction. I hope there is a shift to the positive for us loyal VIP members.

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Created by: Hadess

11/25/09 @ 11:08pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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we can;t say now if this will have a bad impact or good one on members...it takes some time,for VS and for us..to see if these changes were good or bad..but..in case all this changes went in wrong direction,will be hard for flirt to bring back the clients...its true..on no other site u get previews..of whats happening in pvt...but there r so many with cheaper price for pvt..of course..not so good features like flirt..but...u start thinking..what they want?to pay less and watch more..or to pay more..and watch less?

Regards

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Created by: petek

11/26/09 @ 3:09am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Just checked ... there are 68 male models available on this site and ONLY 5 are in a 'private'.
To what extent, is this the result of the success or the failure of the new curtain policy?

Tetchh - Cannot see any relationship between the number of privates and the curtain policy.

5 privates out of 68 guys avaiable is what, approximately 8%? At the time you visited this sort of percentage started more than 18 months ago. Even at a later time in the day on the guys side of the site a 10% hit rate was quite normal 12 months ago and with the economic situation I am not surprised to see this drop.
Don't think site changes is all that affects the matter.
:twocents

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Created by: Jack F

11/26/09 @ 4:14am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I feel that other members are just waiting on another member to go private so they can vouyer... it kinda blows

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