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Created by: blazze

11/25/11 @ 8:03pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I've been seeing more and more porn stars join f4f, I feel f4f should be for the "amateur" performer since the "stars" have many more outlets for promoting themselves, what does everyone else think?

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11/25/11 @ 8:16pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I agree, but only when it comes to advertising on the front page. They shouldn't get higher billing just because they were in a porno flick. They should have to earn their rank just like any other performer would.

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Created by: blazze

11/25/11 @ 8:18pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I've been seeing more and more porn stars join f4f, I feel f4f should be for the "amateur" performer since the "stars" have many more outlets for promoting themselves, what does everyone else think?

It just feels to me like when a corporation such as K-mart or Walgreens comes to a neighborhood and wipes out all the local and much loved smaller businesses. Maybe I should start an OccupyF4F! Okay, i'm getting down off my soapbox.

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Created by: asti

11/26/11 @ 7:50am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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It just feels to me like when a corporation such as K-mart or Walgreens comes to a neighborhood and wipes out all the local and much loved smaller businesses. Maybe I should start an OccupyF4F! Okay, i'm getting down off my soapbox.

Comments of this kind require feedback and some education. First, regarding the professional porn stars, simply because they are stars in the film industry doesn't mean that will translate to success in online chat rooms. Some work well in "scripted" environment but put them infront of a camera with only their natural abilities and personality and they may not succeed. If any model's personality is lacking regardless of their appearance they tend not to attract a lasting fan base. "Star" status isn't a guarantee to success here. Second, if you don't like that they are on the site don't visit them. The last time I checked no one is forcing any of us to go into the chat rooms. So asking F4F to put some penalty on the "stars" is groundless. Many "stars" joined in the last year but where are all of them now? The members will determine their success.

Which brings us to the comparison you drew. Those one and done stores they all started out as mom and pop stores in their day. Here's the kicker, they offerred something that brought people in and guess what they grew. Don't penalize others for having an idea, making it a reality and a success. Seeing the small general stores close down is sad but those bigger stores can offer more jobs into those areas. You can't really blame people for going someplace that offers goods cheaper. Every smart businessman wants to succeed and grow. Most of those loved small business owners dream of being the big stores. They may never grow past one store but everyone dreams to be successful. However, dreams take work to become reality.

And that brings us to your Occupy analogy. Know what you are protesting against know the real culprit. Occupiers blame others for why they don't have a job or why things are bad in general. One they blame the wrong party and two you can't find a job when you camp out in a park or the streets. Job's rarly come to the person. The person has to look for the job. I speak from experience.

Sorry, to the general reader for my rant. The quoted suggestion hit a nerve. So allow me to finish ontrack. Maybe the "stars" are having difficult times like everyone else. Maybe they need extra income. They don't deserve to be treated any differently, good or bad, from any other performer. If they succeed here so be it. Don't go to their rooms if you don't want to but please don't make Occupy anaolgies here, place blame or demonize unjustly.

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11/26/11 @ 8:58am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: blazze

11/26/11 @ 4:20pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Comments of this kind require feedback and some education. First, regarding the professional porn stars, simply because they are stars in the film industry doesn't mean that will translate to success in online chat rooms. Some work well in "scripted" environment but put them infront of a camera with only their natural abilities and personality and they may not succeed. If any model's personality is lacking regardless of their appearance they tend not to attract a lasting fan base. "Star" status isn't a guarantee to success here. Second, if you don't like that they are on the site don't visit them. The last time I checked no one is forcing any of us to go into the chat rooms. So asking F4F to put some penalty on the "stars" is groundless. Many "stars" joined in the last year but where are all of them now? The members will determine their success.

Which brings us to the comparison you drew. Those one and done stores they all started out as mom and pop stores in their day. Here's the kicker, they offerred something that brought people in and guess what they grew. Don't penalize others for having an idea, making it a reality and a success. Seeing the small general stores close down is sad but those bigger stores can offer more jobs into those areas. You can't really blame people for going someplace that offers goods cheaper. Every smart businessman wants to succeed and grow. Most of those loved small business owners dream of being the big stores. They may never grow past one store but everyone dreams to be successful. However, dreams take work to become reality.

And that brings us to your Occupy analogy. Know what you are protesting against know the real culprit. Occupiers blame others for why they don't have a job or why things are bad in general. One they blame the wrong party and two you can't find a job when you camp out in a park or the streets. Job's rarly come to the person. The person has to look for the job. I speak from experience.

Sorry, to the general reader for my rant. The quoted suggestion hit a nerve. So allow me to finish ontrack. Maybe the "stars" are having difficult times like everyone else. Maybe they need extra income. They don't deserve to be treated any differently, good or bad, from any other performer. If they succeed here so be it. Don't go to their rooms if you don't want to but please don't make Occupy anaolgies here, place blame or demonize unjustly.

I'm sorry that my post hit such a nerve, it actually was meant to be much more lighter in tone than how you interpreted it. This IS F4F after all.

But for your comments concerning "stars" vs. amateurs, you seem to think I was suggesting that the "star" performers should be penalized by F4F or that anyone is forced to frequent their rooms which I never said or implied. As to how successful any of them will be only time will tell, I was merely trying to express how I hope F4F stays predominently the territory of the amateurs who work here from all over the world.

As for your comments about the OWS movement allow me to educate you with some facts since I have attended a few General Assemblies at Zuccotti Park and have marched in numerous rallies. The OWS movement is not about blaming anyone, it is about the frustration in a system that has been left unaccountable for way too long between Wall Street and Congress. The OWS movement also does not blame a political party because it blames BOTH parties and their symbiotic relationship with Wall Street. And as for jobs, many in the movement have jobs... I have talked to professors, union presidents and teachers. To imply Zuccotti park is filled with unemployed people who are simply too lazy to look for work is unbelievably condescending and proves you are very misinformed. If you would like to educate yourself about the OWS movement here is a link to a good place to start.
http://ministryoftruth.dailykos.com/

Now back to the real business at hand! *ahem*

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Created by: asti

11/26/11 @ 10:08pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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As for your comments about the OWS movement allow me to educate you with some facts since I have attended a few General Assemblies at Zuccotti Park and have marched in numerous rallies. The OWS movement is not about blaming anyone, it is about the frustration in a system that has been left unaccountable for way too long between Wall Street and Congress. The OWS movement also does not blame a political party because it blames BOTH parties and their symbiotic relationship with Wall Street. And as for jobs, many in the movement have jobs... I have talked to professors, union presidents and teachers. To imply Zuccotti park is filled with unemployed people who are simply too lazy to look for work is unbelievably condescending and proves you are very misinformed.

It's refreshing to hear you weren't just referencing a current event. But if you notice I spoke in generalities and while joblessness was something I mentioned specifically I also said the bad state of things in general (I meant the economy). I never once said the people were lazy so don't assume I did. If I am unbelievably condescending you are unbelievably presumptive. I am informed, getting my news from a variety of sources, online, television and lastly printed. When one views any of the media I mentioned the grievances from the occupy group quite often mention needing work. I stated a reality. If your grief is not having a job you sure won't find it in a demonstration. Maybe you should talk to varied sources. I mean professors, union leaders and teachers, really?!? sounds like onesided opinions.

I will admit I should have used another term when I said don't blame the wrong "party". I was speaking of groups i.e Congress, the White House, some elements of Wall Street, not political parties. I'm glad you see congress is at fault they are the ones who gave Wall Street meddlesome assistance but not just the legislature. Both parties' past and current inhabitants of 1600 PA Ave stirred the pot. Wall Street took what the government gave which was our money. However, unlike many interviewed occupiers I don't believe the answer is getting rid of capitalism. I love reading what occupiers would replace capitalism with, they don't have a clue of a suggestion. Maybe the occupiers should protest at the above mentioned address instead of WS.

Back to the pro vs amateur issue of the thread. Can you say you had no bias when you began this thread? No, you said the porn pros should be elsewhere because they have other venues to make income. When I said no one forces us into chat rooms I was speaking figuratively. Any performer here succeeds on their own merit. Are they personable? Do they give a good show? If the answer is yes they will do well on the site whether they are amateur or pro. Afterall repeat clientel is required in any successful business.

Glad to have this discussion blazze, to paraphrase Voltaire, I don't agree with all your opinions but defend your right to have them.

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Created by: imacumluvr

11/27/11 @ 10:40am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This is a sex site .. fun and fantasy, remember? All this political crap needs to be taken somewhere else.

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11/28/11 @ 9:37am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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11/30/11 @ 7:19pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This is a sex site .. fun and fantasy, remember? All this political crap needs to be taken somewhere else.

This site is what it is to the individual user. Why try to dictate to other members what their impetus for involvement on this site should be?

Besides, politics are sexy.

-NO.... oops.... :orglaugh

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Created by: blazze

11/30/11 @ 9:13pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I don't know why the fear of politics here... political discussions are sexy and passionate. I would guess that there are many more sexually oriented sites than there are political/social so if you hate political/social discussions on F4F, skip threads like this and go back to your subject in your hand! AHEM...

BTW, I totally enjoyed our discourse Asti. While we may have disagreed on most issues I applaud us both that it never dissolved into name calling or the usual pettiness that characterize our local and national politicians of BOTH parties!

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Created by: asti

12/3/11 @ 7:23pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Absolutely blazze, good discussion and name calling doesn't really solve anything but blowing off steam. It's usually better to discuss rationally. It's difficult to imagine opposing members of congress doing the same when we see how they behave on camera but after the camera and lights go off they socialize off the job.
There is a performer who holds social/political talks and they seem pleasant on the surface but then he'll comment how one side has no clue. It's as if he has all the answers and if they listened to him they may learn something. In short he's a name caller but in a "nice" way. I find it off-putting.
Which brings up a question maybe you can answer. He says, "socialism is the way to go" but when asked if he should "spread the wealth" and share his (premiere model) earned credits with models not doing as well the reply is he doesn't believe in financial socialism. So my question is, how can political socialism be anything but financially/economically motivated? If the government controls the production, distribution and exchange of goods it controls the economy within its borders. That control would extend over its individual citizens as well. When an entity is given that kind of power it isn't going to give any of it up. Anyway just asking.

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Created by: phil_usa

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...By the way, I'm in support of "porn stars" on the site. I have had many wonderful pvts. with them!

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Created by: naturaltop

12/3/11 @ 8:36pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This really isn't what you'd expect to read about in a forum called "porn stars?"

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Created by: kheldarxy

12/3/11 @ 9:36pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This really isn't what you'd expect to read about in a forum called "porn stars?"

Have you seen our Congress....
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Created by: asti

12/3/11 @ 9:50pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Right you are Bryan, public education, is part of Marx's Communist Manifesto not the U.S. Constitution. National defense though is granted by the Constitution.

And NaturalTop one thing just led to another. :orglaugh

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Created by: bryanferrrrrry

12/4/11 @ 12:04am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Actually, public education in the U.S. predates Marx. By 1791, seven states had provisions for public education as a part of their individual constitutions. Marx was born in 1818.

In any event, how does that prove the direct redistribution of credits among models is a legitimate comparison to socialism when the income earned from those credits is taxed? A direct redistribution of wealth on the part of a private company is more in line with Leninism and Maoism (but more like traditional fascism) than it is with Marxism or main-line socialism.

I'm really trying to not focus on the nature of different political ideologies. I'm just wondering how your theoretical scenario involving the direct redistribution of the wealth of its sub-contractors on the part of a business is comparable to socialism when the models on this site DO pay taxes on their income. Isn't the question of one's support for higher taxes a much better and direct way to confront someone's view on socialism? Remember, all income earned, even from cam sites (models are independent contractors and file as such), is taxed in the U.S.

...And there's always the possibility that the model you mentioned was just messing with you because they don't like you or maybe they were just bored. Anyway, best of luck in finding someone else out there to chat with. :thumbsup

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