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Male Performer Chat: Nudity? Should customers have to ask for it?

Created by: andersoncooper

5/30/11 @ 5:18pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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A lot of models are very reluctant about getting naked in their parties and shows. Quite often, a model will be chatting in private for 5, 10, 15 minutes or more and never take off any clothes. I think just about all the models will take off clothes if asked, but the problem is - the chatter should not have to ask. It should be assumed that they will take off their clothes when someone tips enough or goes into a private show. I do want to see certain models nude, but I don't want to have to ask them to take off the clothes. Basically, considering the type of website this is, and the considerable cost for the tips and privates, I think it should be assumed that the customer wants and expects nudity. Even this week, I have seen very generous customers take a model private for nearly two hours, and the model never took off any clothing. Afterwards, the model offered to take off clothing for a small tip. The customer was very disappointed that the model didn't take off any clothing in the private show that cost several hundred dollars. A lot of the models have very attractive bodies, and the reason people spend money is to see those magnificent bodies.

Basically, I think it should be assumed that the model will get nude when the money is coming in. :twocents

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Created by: trooper154

5/30/11 @ 5:33pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: tomcrulse

5/30/11 @ 5:53pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Unfortunately some models (but not all) will delay getting nude in order to drag out he private. In other word, to make more money. I don't like to sound crude and ask a model to strip but I agree that nudity should be assumed unless the customer prefers otherwise.

Delaying a minute or two is fine in my opinion. However, longer than that and it should be assumed. I don't feel comfortable asking someone I have a friendly relationship with to "take off your pants and show me your ass!"

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Created by: ballycallan

5/30/11 @ 5:56pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I actually Disagree.

I think you should "ask" the model for what you want to see , some people take 2 hour pvts and just wanna talk. some take 2 min pvt and just want nudity , but I think its not for the model to make assumptions. Granted most people want nudity..but not all.

The models are not mind readers ... if you want a particular thing , ask for it ( of course make sure you are tipping or in pvt first )

However I do think that if a model has a topic like 100 credits to see cock , 500 to cum etc .. if they get the credits they should follow through with that promptly

Regards
Bally

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Created by: trooper154

5/30/11 @ 6:07pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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The models are not mind readers ... if you want a particular thing , ask for it ( of course make sure you are tipping or in pvt first )

You are correct Bally and I believe the customer should get what he wants WHEN he wants it. I too have chatted with models in private but if I want something more hardcare then please don't make me ask twice. Remember, time is money (LOL).

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Created by: ballycallan

5/30/11 @ 6:12pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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True Trooper , you should not need to ask twice if you are paying .... but do ask at least once :thumbsup

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Created by: asti

5/30/11 @ 7:07pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Well said ballycallan, I agree we have to ask for what we want.

Let me try an analogy for anyone thinking otherwise. Say this site was a restaurant. Your waiter knows you want to eat but they do not know what you will order. They know you want food but don't know what you like best, are allergic to or in the mood for. Do you want your favorite standby or are you going to experiment, are you a vegetarian, do you only want dessert, etc....? I see nothing wrong with the model waiting for our requests.

Don't anyone forget we are buying time to spend with PEOPLE here online. We are not buying them and should not expect them to act as though we are, IMHO.

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Created by: phil_usa

5/30/11 @ 7:45pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Asti, I like your analogy. However, a waiter gives you a menu and then asks you what you would like! Just Kidding

I find that a lot of performers ask what it is I would like to see and are happy to oblige.

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Created by: tomcrulse

5/30/11 @ 8:14pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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One solution might be for the model to ask:
"Do you want a sexy show or just chat?"
"Do you want toys?"
"Do you like ass or cock or both?" etc.

If the model isn't going to assume, they should at least give the chatter options instead of forcing the chatter to ask for something.

In fact, when people are buying anything, they often don't even KNOW what they want.

Also, chatters don't know what models are willing to do or show. The chatter doesn't know if
the model has dildos, or is a dancer, or can do arobatics, or can blow their own horn, etc.

Basically, I think that some models are hurting themselves and disappointing their chatters by not being a bit naughtier without asking.

I have another example. I was at a gay bar once that had strippers. Most of the customers would not (and should not) go grabbing at the bodies of the strippers. This bar had VERY narrow aisles around the bar - maybe 2 feet wide. Often, after the strippers were done with their dance on top of the bar, they would mingle around the bar naked other than sneakers. The aisles were so narrow that if you didn't intentionally get out of their way, they would rub their ass or cock up against you, they might even take your hand and put it in on their butt or cock, and if you sat on a barstool, they sometimes would sit in your lap! In other words, if you put yourself in their way, they would take the initiative and take it to the next level.

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Created by: kheldarxy

5/30/11 @ 8:32pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I completely disagree with this. You are assuming all of us want nudity and sex ever time. Most of my PVTs are talking and nudity would just be a distraction. I have actually asked a model to get dressed before. People should communicate with the model about what they want. Most models will be happy to discuss this in open chat. If you don't want to share with the rest of the room, go ahead and whisper. If you want to be more detailed, send the model a message.

A lot of models are very reluctant about getting naked in their parties and shows. Quite often, a model will be chatting in private for 5, 10, 15 minutes or more and never take off any clothes. I think just about all the models will take off clothes if asked, but the problem is - the chatter should not have to ask. It should be assumed that they will take off their clothes when someone tips enough or goes into a private show. I do want to see certain models nude, but I don't want to have to ask them to take off the clothes. Basically, considering the type of website this is, and the considerable cost for the tips and privates, I think it should be assumed that the customer wants and expects nudity. Even this week, I have seen very generous customers take a model private for nearly two hours, and the model never took off any clothing. Afterwards, the model offered to take off clothing for a small tip. The customer was very disappointed that the model didn't take off any clothing in the private show that cost several hundred dollars. A lot of the models have very attractive bodies, and the reason people spend money is to see those magnificent bodies.

Basically, I think it should be assumed that the model will get nude when the money is coming in. :twocents

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Created by: asti

5/30/11 @ 8:47pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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In fact, when people are buying anything, they often don't even KNOW what they want.

Also, chatters don't know what models are willing to do or show. The chatter doesn't know if
the model has dildos, or is a dancer, or can do arobatics, or can blow their own horn, etc.

If the buyer doesn't know what they want then I say, "Buyer beware." I am not trying to be critical please see this as advice/suggestion. Get informed, as consumers it is our responsibility to do the research. We can find out many of the things you mentioned by reading the models' bios. It gets annoying when the same questions are repeatedly asked a model when the answer is right there in the bio. Now I understand that quite a few bio pages are blank or filled in by the studio but many are pretty candid. If the bio is lacking then use free chat to get the answers you seek. I think most models will tell you in the open room. Some will say, "I only tell in pvt" but they are few and if they aren't forther coming in free chat maybe that is an indication of how a private session will be and to that I would recommend moving on.
If you choose not to do your homework before buying time then you are always free to end a show if it isn't going according to your wishes. As the consumer we always have the choice and control. Afterall no one makes us enter private chat and no one can force us to stay in it. I don't ascribe to the thinking, "someone else needs to inform me." We are adults, and can only be led astray if we allow it.

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Created by: Basil Thompson

5/30/11 @ 9:04pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I don't wear clothes in public chat, so I don't have anything to take off in private.

Contrary to popular assumption, this doesn't mean my public chat (or private for that matter) is all about sex and physicality.. I simply do not like clothes, so when home do not wear them. We have great convos in the public chat room, but when a customer takes me private I expect that he's going to want to take it to a sexual level so pan the camera appropriately. To be honest, if he asked me to pan it back up, my feelings would be hurt (unless he cleared that up before we started).

I think if a customer wants to go private just to chat, that's sweet and he should definitely communicate that beforehand... otherwise though nudity is a given and a model should be ready to strip without being asked. My usual line is "What can I do for you?" or "What do you want to see?" All guys are different and have different needs, so while I prefer them to cover that before we go private, if we do and it's unclear that's what I ask.

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Created by: Jayson Scott & Juan Gotti

5/31/11 @ 12:27am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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- Your exactly right , its called supply and demand. If a model gets tipped they should automatically know what to expect upon receiving the tip if they are actually paying attention if any to whats going on in their room. The customer should not have to ask, nor even waste an ounce of their time to even wonder if the model is going to show anything, the models are here to show their body and talents. Mind you dont get it wrong the model DOES have a right to deny the showing of any given part of their body. Its up to them what they show you and how long they show you and what they do while showing you. Unless you ask for a specific thing. Don't expect to get the whole buffet and only come with 1.00 Models are not going to give anything for free, IF they do that is their lose they will be the ones you do not see after a few months or even years. Just because one model showed thier goodies for free doesn't mean others will follow in that irresponsible behavior.Thats why rules get harder and harder, people like that for example break them and ruin it for everyone. Proper Protocol is models are to entertain and be on cam face centered, good lighting , be interactive and no smoking or eating on camera UNLESS given the Okay in PRIVATE then the model can smoke , etc on cam. The rules are here to protect everyone including models and customers at the same time. If you give the model a 50-tip then dont expect to get a nut, or see them totally naked or watch them jerk off , or even fuck. Quality comes at a price. You get what you give. If the model is in pvt an they dont take anything off and just sit there and chat or whatever besides giving you the best possible experience on f4f then there is something wrong with that model , seriously lol. Common sense to be honest. But anyways thats just a generalization. Model's like my hubby Juan and I would NEVER let a customer feel taken advantage of OR unappreciated. Our room is filled with love, and we love to share it. Feel free to stop by and check us out sometime and check out our reviews and Bio. We are the real deal and give you what you ask for, we are real. lol Sorry that the person you knew had a bad experience

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Created by: phil_usa

5/31/11 @ 9:18am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: Basil Thompson

5/31/11 @ 9:52am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I have no problem talking with the models(s) about what it is I would like to see when going into a pvt. . When we enter the pvt. and my request has been completed, most models will ask me if there is anything else I would like to see.

You're also one of the best customers a model could dream for, Phil!

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Created by: Jayson Scott & Juan Gotti

5/31/11 @ 11:04am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I have no problem talking with the models(s) about what it is I would like to see when going into a pvt. . When we enter the pvt. and my request has been completed, most models will ask me if there is anything else I would like to see.

Yes and that's exactly as it should be! When you come see us we are like a genie in a bottle , you know how to rub us the right way ;) lol because you rock! Love our play time!

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Created by: rub2k

5/31/11 @ 2:38pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I dont expect anything in main room... Some models will show in main room, and not just in party chats... It seems to vary... they prob should not as it takes away from the mystery... If I was hot enought to model, you can be sure it would take a prvt to see my jewels

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Created by: Basil Thompson

5/31/11 @ 2:51pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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A lot of guys do expect it...they expect everything in the main room and never having to go private. As I've said before, I don't mind showing the goods a little in the main room, but it's a far different experience from the actual private chat. :winkwink

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Created by: piersmorgan

5/31/11 @ 3:35pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Most of my PVTs are talking and nudity would just be a distraction. I have actually asked a model to get dressed before. People should communicate with the model about what they want. Most models will be happy to discuss this in open chat. If you don't want to share with the rest of the room, go ahead and whisper. If you want to be more detailed, send the model a message.

You are a generous and thoughtful guy for doing that! Nice!
However, I have seen a lot of disappointed people who were too shy to ask for nudity and cut their shows short when they didn't get it.

Also, chatters cannot whisper to models. They don't see it. Only models can whisper to chatters.

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Created by: piersmorgan

5/31/11 @ 3:48pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I'm much more concerned about the models than the chatters. They work hard and take a lot of abuse and they deserve to get more.

My suggestion is for models to get nude, pose, and dance more for their OWN good. A chatter is much more likely to cut a chat short when a model is just chatting than if the model is doing a sexy show. I even suggest that models taste their cum after they shoot their load because that typically results in an extra 5 minutes of private time. Otherwise, the pvt typically ends right after the cum shot.

Many of the models are desperate for money to pay the rent, or buy food, etc.

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