Hey guys,,its me,,I know I never come to these forums and am not that popular amongst you guys,,but I just wanted to leave a simple message to all who are interested in reading it...so here goes..

Party chat has been a new addition to the sight,,and seems that everyone is enjoyin it,but there are a few things that I have noticed in my party rooms and several others as well that I think need to be addressed so hear me out..

Most of the time,, out of like 50 or 60 people in a room watching party,5 to 10 of them are tipping while the room patiently waits for the countdown,,sometimes 100 people and only 5 are tipping,,,this to me is very strange,, and in a sense, unfair. Unfair for those that are putting in the money and contributing while others just take the free ride.. I feel bad for those guys k,, the guys that are spending for everyone else...so heres my little theory that I always preech during the peek of my party chats...Everyone needs to work together as a team..I understand 80 percent of custemers have a hard time spending anything at all,, but if everyone just buys just a little bit,and helps pitch in,, think about how much cheaper party chat cumshot countdowns would be...

Lets say you guys are in a room and model wants 1500 for a cum shot, if theres 80 people in the room, why not 30 or 40 of them pitch in 50 credits,,a measly 50 credits,, that way, everyone gets a cum shot for 5 bucks each,, isnt that awsome and cheap,,,the problem is to many people wait for the spenders to pay for the while party chat,,its not fair,, more of u need to get involved, that way its cheaper for everyone and theres way more fun to go around. This theory is not directed to the spenders,, its directed to those who dont spend at all and just watch and wait,,,everyone needs to be connected and act as one.

Also,, I respect those that compliment me while there watching my free show,,this goes for other models as well,,this message is for all you guys that sit there and dont say anything to us while were performing in party chat..we have feelings too,, were humans.. and when we put on a show that ur not contributing to and not even saying anything makes us feel like cheap hores im sorry. We like chatter in our rooms,, the more chatter the more bright the atmosphere becomes, imagine a model sitting there with a full hard on, stroking in front of the cam infront of 70 people, 5 people are tipping and no ones sayin a word,,kinda uncomfortable if u ask me..

Many models complain that they feel like cheap hores sometimes,,including me..but its the audience that makes us feel like that..more of you that are silent, rude, and dont tip, need to get more involved im sorry but it must be said. We can all make this a brighter websight if all you guys started working together, and being a little more respectful to models that preform in party.

Make us like ur company,, not hate it...
Remember..this whole message is directed to those that dont tip, and dont respoond to anything while watching a free show.. for those who do tip and do compliment and keep the room chattery and bright,,thank you for everything,, thank you for making things possible,,its only bc of you guys that were smiling sometimes..hopefully this message will inspire maybe a little handful, but hey,, thats better then nothing,, hopefully its a first step,

The worst is when a model is doing a party and trying really hard to generate, and more then 50 people show up,, no one says anything and watches,, after the party is over bc of lack of tips, everyone just slowly leaves with out saying ANYTHING,, ommmggggg,, that fuckin kills,, it makes us hate you with everything we have,,,,,,,so dont be like that,, dont be the customers we hate, be respectful,, make us feel human..

Thank you for listening,, I hope this will be insightful to some...cheers

PS- Im very sorry,, I have bad grammar and I know I have a ton of spelling mistakes,,but u know what im sayin!
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Izzi You couldn't say it better..it's exactly how I feel.
I agree 100% ,I don't mind cum in party chat, it's not a problem for me..just members dont' let me do it couse no one Tip.

P.S. a nice chat is appreciated in open chat too.. We model can't talk alone, but if We are in silence You all say We are boring.
How can You know our personality if You just stare at Us not even saying 'hi' ?

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if you guys dont like it do not use it. it is simple! i know i rarely do. good luck Quote

Hey Izzi,

First off, just want to say that was a wonderful post. Heartfelt, and I'm sure it will generate a lot of discussion.

So here is my 2 cents worth....

I've only been around the site for 2 or 3 months, and party chat started very soon after my arrival, so I guess everyone, both models and guests, are still learning the ropes.

Your suggestion of everyone pitching in is a good one, and although it will never work 100%, if most of the room is mindful of that, it will help tremendously.

OK. Just a bit about me. I work in the service industry, and if there are 2 things that I am sensitive to, they would be a)tipping and b)being treated with respect.

Now just a brief story regarding "silent customers".
( and a chance for me to vent)
About a week ago I had a bad experience with a model. It was a guy that I really like(d), who had been offline for awhile. So I went to his room and was all chatty, and he shot back how I was always in FREE CHAT..yes, he used capital letters, and just went on and on. It happened really fast and came out of nowhere, and let me tell you, it stung, like a hard slap across the face. So there is one reason that a guest may be silent. Who needs that, right?

As far as party chat, when I can't afford to tip, I just leave the room, out of respect. May not be ideal for you, but at least I'm not sponging off of everyone else, or making you feel like a whore, as you put it.

Unfortunately, money is an issue. Even $100 per week is a significant amount for me, and that doesn't go far around here. We're not all pro athletes making 10 mil per year.

Last point for now. One thing that I find frustrating. We can see, and sometimes hear you. But to you, I'm just a printed word..you don't know what I look or sound like, my mood or what I'm thinking. Now, I'm reasonably articulate, I think, but misunderstandings can occur because of this, and on top of that are the frequent language barriers.

Apart from the sexual aspects of the site, it can be a fascinating cultural exchange, and like you say Izzi, let's all work together.

Thanks for listening.

P.S. I think I live in your neck of the woods, and wonder why your bio is blocked?

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Here is a question about what i feel is a awkward situation..if im in a models room chatting with him and he switches to party chat and im not able to do tips at that time..should i leave when he switches to party chat? Quote

Hey Izzi.

What a GREAT message you wrote!

Don't worry about your grammar - I'm sure we can all tell you REALLY mean it from your HEART.

We really appreciate hearing an "uncensored" truthfull message.

We hear you - point taken.

You are a GOOD person - and I REALLY appreciate what you do as well as your contribution!

Thank you again Izzi.

Hope to see you soon

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I hear what you're saying Izzi and I agree with you. I am one who tips quite frequently and generously in party chat (just ask Arcady). It really irks me when I see 50 or more guys in the model's room and only 3 or 4 of us tipping. Guess the models need to start kicking out the freeloaders - that may be the only way they get the hint. btw .. you said in your post that we don't like you? After seeing your profile, I would say quite the opposite is true. You have many loyal fans and great reviews. Take care Quote

Here is a question about what i feel is a awkward situation..if im in a models room chatting with him and he switches to party chat and im not able to do tips at that time..should i leave when he switches to party chat?


This is a good question because of Izzi's post. Now, if I can't tip because I have no credits, I just leave the room because I don't want to free-load. Should I say something about that or just leave? Since Izzi's heartfelt post, I'm forced to re-think my reaction. I know I'd do it in Izzi's room out of respect for his stated feelings. But I don't know the sensibilities of other models, so what's the consensus on the best way to handle this?

Mike
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This is a good question because of Izzi's post. Now, if I can't tip because I have no credits, I just leave the room because I don't want to free-load. Should I say something about that or just leave? Since Izzi's heartfelt post, I'm forced to re-think my reaction. I know I'd do it in Izzi's room out of respect for his stated feelings. But I don't know the sensibilities of other models, so what's the consensus on the best way to handle this?

Mike




i guess no good model here wants a member, who is nice and he chats and happens not to have money in some day to go private, to leave his room when he goes to a party. the matter is about those who try to take advantage of parties to have a freeshow and that is what they do all day long! Quote

To be honest,,we models think that if you guys dont tip or have enough money,, at least make some comments in the room and create chatter,,thats better then nothing I think,,, chatter in our rooms helps us too,, makes us feel specail,, ya know Quote

I am one of those guys that has a little money to participate here and enjoy the guys company as well as they special activities they do for us on occasion. Izzi and some of the other guys are class acts and certinaly deserve much better treatment and respect than the majority of you out there give them. Yes, they are getting paid, but no excuse to ignore or abuse them. If you can't afford a 50 credit tip, don't go into the party rooms. It is that SIMPLE! If you non-tippers comtinue your ways, party chat will go away! So, get with the program! I don't want cool guys like IZZE giving up on this site because of YOU ! Quote

There are three statements I agree with in the this post. The first is for me to know. I was taught if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything. Secondly, I don't like party chat for the reason the poster stated, that being many members sitting in parties don't tip thereby getting free shows. Finally, Anwar D's comment, if you are a performer and don't like party chat don't use it. If my favorite has a party I might I stay but personally, I prefer one on one privates. That is my opinion. If you are a memeber and like party chat go ahead enjoy them.
It's funny. On the menu page of the forums it says to respect fellow community members. Yet respect isn't being given to members here from the original poster of this thread. Granted he is doing a job and wants money from those in his room during party mode. That's fine, that is why party chat was created, to generate spending. HOWEVER, don't disrespect members by turning and putting the blame on them when they don't tip. YOU chose to initiate the party mode in your room. So don't sit there and say, and I'm paraphrasing, "don't make us hate you" or "don't become the members we hate." The last I knew, hate like any emotion is a choice. If you hate the members in your room you chose to do that don't make them feel like the cause of your decision.
This doesn't stop freeloaders competely but maybe you need to do what other performers have done. Try to regulate the party, set up rules. It's your room after all. Get tips at the beginning of the party before you do anything "private-show" related. Kick members out of the room if they break the rules. One performer gives members a time limit to produce a tip. If it isn't presented they are banned. Another, and I like this idea, bans a member that makes a request without having given a tip. Get creative come up with something of you own but don't blame the non-tipping members when you give them something for free. Quote

Good points raised by Izzi and Anwar. Usually in party chat, there are very few tippers while the majority to login and watch. There are times that I lack credits to tip for my favourite model but I still chat in the room and help promote the model for tips. Then again, I think some viewers are also offended by what I am doing for whatever reason I'm not sure, questioning "who are you", "are you the slave/pimp for the model" etc. Needless to say, I can't be bothered about such comments and just helping my favourite model, that's it.

Anwar's suggestion is good. Besides that, you can also use party chat to set the mood of your room and also prepare yourself for private session.

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My honest opinion: Party Chats are only for those that expect a lot while
giving very little...

I have done it only trice for less than 3 minutes with Conrado.
I go in I say "Haiiii Handsome!!!" give him 200 to 500 in credits
and after he acknowledges me with a huge smile or blows me a kiss I leave immediately.
Of course many chatters get pissed off at me because I take his attention away
for a few second... But if you really want exclusive attention and lots
of fun just click PRIVATE like I do.
In this life ( and may be the next one too ) you get what you pay for.
Party Chats and Semi privates are like drinking seltzer water hoping to get Dom Perignon
or Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin by accident.....



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you are right on point izzi. Quote

Hey Izzi, what's up? I can't see you any longer buddy since you blocked the country. You are right on that point. I tried it at first and it's all free beggars. And if you don't cum, they are all getting mad and pitch you insults. So nice. If you don't pay, don't expect high standards. So I decided to not go party chat any longer. Not worth it. Good luck my friend and hope to see you soon Quote

To be honest,,we models think that if you guys dont tip or have enough money,, at least make some comments in the room and create chatter,,thats better then nothing I think,,, chatter in our rooms helps us too,, makes us feel specail,, ya know



very true man, thats what i was saying, couldnt agree more;) Quote

Points well made, Izzi.

I feel strange being in party chat and unable to tip. I generally leave the room out of respect to the performer. I have had only one model tell me I should stay but it just doesn't feel right to me. Quote

Well here's another example to ponder. Today, I entered a model's party chat and the first thing I heard was, "Am I going to have to start booting people who don't tip? Izzi says it's acceptable to stay in his room, if we don't have credits, and cannot tip. Just add to the conversation, etc. The model, today, is a pretty popular guy and it sounded like if we didn't tip, we'd get booted. Quote

Well here's another example to ponder. Today, I entered a model's party chat and the first thing I heard was, "Am I going to have to start booting people who don't tip? Izzi says it's acceptable to stay in his room, if we don't have credits, and cannot tip. Just add to the conversation, etc. The model, today, is a pretty popular guy and it sounded like if we didn't tip, we'd get booted.


What is there to ponder? How long had the others been in the room before the model warned them about booting if not tipping? Did he boot you immediately?

It seems to me that a tremendous number of VIP's, Registered Members and Unregistered Members are just thinking of the Party Chat rooms as a free place to see some action at the expense of the minority that tip.
For all those that do not tip, why don't you consider them more like the Semi Private, Multiuser or Voyeur rooms where you have to pay?

Alternatively think of it as a Party. At most Party's you are expected or it is common decency to bring a bottle or gift for the host. Here that is a TIP.
For that reason I cannot see why people are surprised if they are threatened or actually banned (bounced from the Party) for not tipping.

Yes, some hosts will accept you just for the conversation but that maybe their way of letting you get to know them, improving the atmosphere in the room and hoping it will lead to you paying for something in the future.

Perhaps Admin ought to consider a new membership title, GATECRASHER , FREELOADER or BEGGAR because those that stay without an invite or leave as they are unable to tip, that is what they are.



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