For thoses who remember Vovcha.

Today I recieved the sad news that he died in a car accident. He was 20 years old. I miss him so much.

Cairochon

Cairochon,

That is very sad news and I am sorry for your loss. I did not know him well, but I do remember him.

Blackbird.

Such terrible news but nothing posted by F4F
How unfeeling can the bosses get

What happens to models after they leave their studios, is for the most part not information we receive. This is very sad news about such a young man, and will be passed along.

stewie, I don't want to sound unfeeling, but there would be thousands of models who have left the site. There would be no way the studios or F4F could keep track of them all. I doubt if anyone in F4F or even in the studio where Vovcha used to work would have heard this sad news

In the past I have had the chance to meet this young man face to face. I am very surprised to hear this news. Cairochon, how did you hear about it? If anyone else has met this man face to face maybe we can ease the feelings by talking about our experiences.

I will make some general remarks, then relate them back to Vovcha. My statements relate only to models from Saint Petersburg. Of course there are exceptions, but my comments relate to the majority of them.

One thing that some of us tend to forget at times is that Flirt4Free is about fantasy and fantasy fulfilment. Most models are students, doing this work because it is the only part-time work they can find which can fit in with their university schedules. They are not "escorts", or whatever you want to call it, and they have no desire to become "pornstars", or whatever you want to call it. They do this work only to earn a few extra dollars to help fund their education, and they have other careers in mind. To most of them the work they do at Flirt4Free is "just a job", and they don't even regard it as porn, because they are performing only in front of a camera and they have no physical contact with their customers. They have no desire to meet in real life the customers they perform for in private shows. It is evident that some members do not appreciate the difference between fantasy and reality when, having spent 10 minutes in private with a model, they return to open room saying things like "I love you bb, come and live with me in the USA".

Another thing that some of us are not aware of, or tend to forget, is that just as most guys are straight, so are most models straight. Many of them, even those who use dildos with apparent relish, go home at the end of their shift and joke with their girlfriends about the customers who fantasised about sucking their cocks and rimming their asses. Is it deceitful for straight models to "pretend" to be gay (or bi)? ... I don't believe so, because this site is about fantasy and fantasy fulfilment. Models fantasise, just as members do. Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal are straight as far as I know, but I believe they did excellent work playing gay cowboys in Brokeback Mountain. I believe we have a similar situation at Flirt4Free - the models are actors, and some of them are very good actors! Again, some members don't seem to appreciate this. They may call it "gay for pay", I call it "jerk for work".

For various reasons, most models don't last long at Flirt4Free. I am in contact with over 100 ex-models, and I have lost contact with many more. To most of them working at Flirt4Free was a part of their lives which they enjoyed and learned from but which they have now put behind them.

To relate all this back to the subject thread, I simply say this ...

Some ex-models who just want to put Flirt4Free behind them and get on with their lives have been known to take drastic measures to avoid unwanted attention from Flirt4Free members who try to pursue them. Some of them have been known to change their email address and phone number and to get a friend to put out a story that they have died in an accident. Maybe this is what happened with Vovcha.

And if you think I may know more than I am letting on here, maybe you are right

For various reasons, most models don't last long at Flirt4Free. I am in contact with over 100 ex-models, and I have lost contact with many more. To most of them working at Flirt4Free was a part of their lives which they enjoyed and learned from but which they have now put behind them.


Well said,I too have contact with some ex models,whe were on f4f and have moved onto to do other things with their lives,all worked on f4f to assist with costs of education to enable them to have a secure job and future. the time they spent here they enjoyed,but as you say it was considered 'work'. All of them are straight and knew to get pvts had to say and do all kind of things,deception--maybe---but to exist,no way.

Ironically the few models I have pvted with and maintain contact even after their departure have been the openly gay models both on f4f and in their real outside lives

Rox,

How right you are.

Most of them are only here doing a job, and most of them indeed need the mony very bad.

Most of them are not gay, but they will tell you if you aske. What should they do? It's the dream and fantasy of a lot of gays to do to have sex with a so called very str8 look alike model.

So how can you blame the models (our sexworkers) that they will tell you that they are gay or bi, even they are not. But what this job does to a lot of them - you can see it by looking in their sad eyes.

Every member here should aske him self what it means to be to work so many hours for flirt and earne so litle- and you still want to continue your study, and maybe you have to support your family too because you are the only breadwinner in the house.

Let every member here aske himself: Is this the job that I want for my son, if I had one?

So indeed let's face the reality, one day all our models (sexworkers) will be gone from flirt, that's how it has to be. In time they are here let's be nice to them, let's help them who need, everybody can know how- I don't have to tell.

I hope for them that they will have a better life after their study, but in fact- the sooner the better even if that make them to leave flirt now.

To get this thread back on track ...

Of course there's another possibility, an alternative to the scenario I suggested earlier in this thread ...

Some models have been known to "borrow" money from members and then find they are unable to repay the money they "borrowed". Some have been known to change their email address and phone number and to get a friend to put out a story that they have died in an accident in order to avoid their Flirt4Free creditors. Maybe this is what happened with Vovcha.

Cairochon, did Vovcha owe you money?

kahoosie, did Vovcha owe you money?

ourjeffie,

Maybe you are right, but I think that every member can know that most of the models never will be able to pay back- or they want or not.
In my opinion- every member must realise that before they start giving mony to them. But if you realy know the situation some models are in, than mabe you want to help them a litle bit without you want it back, at least that counts for me. Never ever I want something back from what I did, it was just some help, and help you do for free.

appel : yes, of course, I agree. I understand the situation some models are in, and I never expect them to repay money

BUT ... some models when they request money from members for some emergency, real or otherwise, promise that they will repay it. Perhaps they think they can extract more money from us if we regard it as a loan rather than as a donation, and perhaps they are right

ourjeffie,

You are a man to my heart.
When a model promise to repay- than a member should know that most of them shall never be able to do.
If you forget that, then you fool your self.
You better don't expect repaying, that makes it easyer for you. Just think about the shit some models are in.
For some members maybe it's difficult to understand how hard life can be in the countrys most models come from. I know some of those countrys, life there is very hard if you not belong to the happy few.

Vovcha is alive and well and living in St Petersburg

Reports of his death in a car accident were greatly exaggerated

This will be good news for some and bad news for others

Vovcha is alive and well and living in St Petersburg

Reports of his death in a car accident were greatly exaggerated

This will be good news for some and bad news for others


OH MY GOD!!

It's just like the dream and RETURN of BOBBY EWING in the shower scene from Dallas!!

(I want some black ass pleeeeaseee . . . . )

BE CAREFUL WITH THIS ONE, I HAVE A FREIND THAT WAS FLEECED. First, he is telling most of the world he is straight including his new GF, but he left this site thanks to the wallet of some poor fat American Doctor who rented him an apartment for a year and covered the cost of every crisis, real or created.So if your tits are big he is straight but if your wallet is big, be ready to make out on the couch and sex it up every night man to man. He's been arrested multiple times in the last two years, has been dealing coke to cover his casino debts, turning tricks, while maintaining in some circles that he was the American's husband and he was moving to Hawaii. He manufactured this auto death for himself, and last summer claimed his OWN MOTHER died in a horrible car crash to milk several people of sympathy and cash. He has about $20,000 in street debt, not safe in St PB, a high maintenance GF, and is runnnig out of rope because his $2000 plus surplas income just dried up when he got stupid enough to post pics of the dead mom and the GF on some Web Page, and some other russians tipped off the American. Not good for your husband to see your GF on line, or celebrating a family party with the dead mother whose hospital bills had to pay. It has never occured to him to work as more than a part time waiter, though his web site has him working on 3 degrees, including one in "the science of rocketry." He is handsome, charming, and utterely convincing. I have seen him cry on demand , complain he has not eaten, get a handful of cash and laugh on the way to the casino. Be careful he is a text book sociopath who has lost his meal ticket.Anyone knows this doctor, write him...I'M sure he can give the scoop.

AMEN I say!

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A secret job? hahaha

Vovcha's first nick at Flirt4Free, when he started in December 2004, was Moryak. I'm not aware of him working on another site prior to this