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Created by: appel

12/18/06 @ 7:00pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Tonight I was in pvt with the model Arken, and suddenly the without I did anything- the model just was ariving his peak- so I only did watch, the conection went broke while I still had 4 mins to go. What ever I tryed after, I couldn't make contackt again.
How can that happen, and do I get my mony back?

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Created by: w8

12/19/06 @ 3:48am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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This has happened to me on several privates recently!,reasons given are that the comp overheated and closed itself down,and that there were connection problems, mainly from studios from the SPB. perhaps f4f could ask the studios for a check of the comp being used,together with the sound equipment that hardly works either!-On the last occasion I sent message to f4f help and was given the statutory five mins back--not enough when having spent 15-20 mins respectively. The more guys who complain then hopefully something will be done

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Created by: appel

12/19/06 @ 5:32am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Thanks w8 for telling this. I think it's a shame for fl 4 fr, it schould never be happen. But there are more things happen with the studios in SPb. Mailing with the models is realy totally a mess- becaus the mail for the models is most of the time getting lost befor the models can see the mail.
I think that fl 4 fr has a lot work to do on those studios. If they want me to continue my vip membership- they have to do something about. Not only for us, but for the models to. If you know the poverty and the harsh economic climate for peaple in Russia, than you know what that means for them. I know, I live in Europe.
Anyway, that model was just 3 days before robbed and lost everything he had after he was payed for his werk for fl 4 fr, and he had broke his wrist by trying to defend himself. If you know the police in Russia- I know, you understand you better avoid them, so that was no big help for him.
So yesterday he was working again with his wrist in bandages and taking medicine aganst the pain.
I did try everything to make contakt again with him, but I even couldn,t stop the pvt, later he asked me why I didn't, I told him that I couldn't do that to him.
So If I can't get the mony back- please sent it to the model Arken, he can use it.
And get working on the problems with the studios in SPb- as I did dicribe them. As long as fl 4 fr want to deal with those studios- they have a responsibility in this, work on it- and don't come back with excuses to me who don't make sence.

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Created by: butt-licker

12/19/06 @ 7:29am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This has happened to me on a number of occasions. A couple of time I sent a complaint and was credited the time that I lost. The last time it happened (about a week ago) I complained but heard nothing in response. I agree, at the cost per minute, this should never be allowed to happen!!!!!!! :mad

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Created by: appel

12/19/06 @ 1:26pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Thanks butt-licker for telling this.
By this I aske every vip-member for to tell us here about his experiens with this fenomeen.
This has to stop, and fl 4 fr has to wach about the treatment of the studios against their models too I think.
In my country it's in the law that I as contrator- always am resposible for the healt, safety on the workingsite, and the payment, that for all the workers who work for my sub-contractors.
As it is as vip member- I am the buyer, fl 4 fr is my deliverer and so my contracktor, and the studios are the sub-contracktors.
In my country, as buyer I am by law always protected for what's going wrong between my contracktor and subcontraktors.
One other thing is, by with law you are leagelised to forbid the models to give their email-adres to who they want to give, I realy wonder.
So Brandon, I hope to heare from you soon.

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Created by: brandon2807

12/19/06 @ 7:55pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Australia
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I am here appell! You've got my support! (Altho I think you meant Brad)

Contact Customer Service and explain what happened and they will credit your account. I have always found them very helpful.

Everything you say about Spb is pretty spot on appell. Life is sure tough there, and it is true: I wouldn't trust the police too much either.

Corruption is rife! (probably not much different to in the USA or here in Aussie - just more subtle! lol) :winkwink

I agree that F4F should take a more active role in ensuring work agreements are fair. But in a way this is one of the drawbacks of globalisation (is there any good points about it?).

In the end, it is all about the money! It's always about the money!

But . . don't lose hope. Help out where you can discreetly. You *can* make a difference! :thumbsup

DON'T WORRY! BE HAPPY! HAVE FUN! . . . . And don't let the bastards beat you !!

That is my motto!

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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.

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Created by: appel

12/20/06 @ 5:45am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Thanks Brandon.

Sorry that I did take you for someone els, indeed it should be Brad.

Brandon, I live in the Netherlands and we here know a lot about life in Russia, we read about dayly in our newspapers and see it on our tv set. besides I did travel a few times in a east Europian state.

I know a litle about Australia too , because I have famely living in Melbourne and in Perth.

I know too, that corruption is everywhere. But I know too, that in Russia corruption is worse than in the VS and in Australia.

In both countrys the expectations for liftime of males haven't, acording to the latest inquierys, declined between 1998 - 2003 with 3 years, from 61 to 58. Thats one dramatick example to show you about quallety of life in Russia.

Anyway, in the two and a half month that I am vip member, I have seen to many sad eyes from models, to many.

I appreciate that you agree that f4f should take a more active role in ensuring the work agreements for the models, they are very vulnerable, I am glad you do, and that you have the courage to speake that out.

If f4f can sent the mony to Arken- I won't have it back. I can easely miss it, and he can use it well now.

Thanks again Brandon for your support.

:thumbsup

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Created by: mishok

12/20/06 @ 8:05am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Australia
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I understand well the concerns you have regarding the conditions the Spb models face in life. Having lived in the city for a number of years in the 90's I am familiar with corruption and a low standard of living.

But it is not all bad news... the young people have far greater freedom and opportunities now, however all things come with a price.

On the point of work agreements.... every country has its own policies and laws regarding employment.. and it will be good to see Russia develop in this area. However although I think f4f would support good terms and conditions for the models, my understanding is that they, like any company, have limited influence outside their home country.

On a positive note: As we are in the season generally accepted as one of good will to all men... lets give the guys and girls in Spb some extra help in the next weeks.... spend a little on a present of that extra pvt with tips (lets not go into issues about % here) and tell them just how great they are!

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Created by: appel

12/20/06 @ 11:06am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Thanks mishok.

But for the poor peaple in Russia it,s worse now these days then It was onder the old sistem. And the rich peaple, mostly the mob, gets all the benefits now. Like I said, we live close to there, and these days there is a lot about in our newspapers and on our tv, becaus it's very soon electionday for a new president in Russia.

But let me tell you a other story.

Last night I went back to Arken again to know how his wrist was going. Gladly he could tell me that he felt much better, and gladly I could see that on his face too.

But yesterday night there was a new model too, it was his first time, and the same dd in his bios too, so fresher can't be.

On the sofa was a nice looking young man, shaped like a fashion model.

When I did enter his open room, few guis were trying to talk with him, but they didn't get any respons.

So with one other gui we tryed everything. We asked him in different languages whith one he wanted to use, we tryed everything to try to comfort him.

All what de poor model did was looking at his screen , sitting their without making any movment even how litle.

With the few of us we tryed again and again, asking him the most nicely questions, and no respons, no movement.

Than peaple started calling names to him, and a nice gui and I had to tell them to be nice to that young man, so after that, gladly the basterds took a walk.

The other gui and me started again to talk to the model, and yes, after I think that looked more than one hour the poor lad started to type. But than, he forgot to press the enterbutton after typing, so we saw from that nothing on the sreen. So we told him that he should press that button, but time after time he forgot, and time after time we told him pationtly he should do.

Finely, he found that button, hehe, and hy started again, typing hardly no more than one word at a time.

But than he had his first break. What did happen the rest of his shift I don't know.

This was a most brutall abuse of a totally unlucky and inexperient jong model by the stupid name callers, but specially, and more to blame, by the studio owners in SPb.

This young lad, who did not know how to handle the situation he was in, schould never be there, he should be protected for that, And the whole world could wach it.

Where was the monitor?????????????????

Where was that basterd, when peaple called that poor lad names, and why was that moddel left for so long without any help from the monitor.????????????????

This was sick!

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Created by: stewier

12/20/06 @ 11:47am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: nyc
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This is not the first time I have seen SPB studio hiring a model that cannot at a minimum chat in english. Unfortunately there is little we can do about it
:twocents

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Created by: mishok

12/20/06 @ 11:48am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Australia
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I don't think I can agree about it being worse now than under the old system.... it probably depends what we think of as better or worse... some take a materialistic view, if so I would agree that the huge range of consumer goods in shops is no good to anybody that has no money.... but I think choice is better than previously when there was nothing to choose from.

As for the "mob"... that will remain as a topic for another day.

Although I live further away than you, I still am very aware of the situation in Russia. Eight years living there an a visit almost every year since I left along with many friends and contacts means it is never far from my mind. As a tip for the election... do not discount the governor of Spb, maybe she will not make it this time but looks good as a future president.

I would agree that the training given to the models lacks a great deal.. this has been the case since the first day the spb studios opened which must be 3 years ago. Some of the more experienced models do try and help sometimes...but the new ones often have trouble with the both the computers and English (they are not supposed to use Russian in open room)

Finally: the spb rooms do not have a monitor... it is possible to request assistance from tech support at f4f. My experience of asking them to help has been mostly positive, however sometimes they are very busy.

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Created by: appel

12/20/06 @ 1:42pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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mishok, what are you telling?

In my country I can watch dayly all the newsprogams of every newscable in Europe there is.

As I told, with the cumming election in sight, a lot of them have programs about life in Russia in all it's aspects, about politic, economy, sanitation, education, etc, etc. They tells us all that life in Russia for the poor is worse than before. And what the heck I should care for the rich? Bisides that, there is a big item in the news about the problems between our Shel and the Russian Gasprom, a lot of other information cums with that too to us.

And what do you think about the declining of the life expectation, as I told before, does mean? Those figures are official, Maybe mishok, you should surf more on the net.

Maybe you should read again what I did say about how we in my country deal with the responsibility between buyer- contractor and sub contractor, it's all in the law. Tell me than or f4f is not reponsible for what in the studios in SPb is going wrong, and f4f should walk away with it?

In my opinion, wrong is, that the models have no bank account, so f4f kan pay them safely- seperate from the studios. The models don't need to go with all the mony cross the street, and if there is, they don't have to take more out uf the bank at a time than they want, all good for their safety too.

Good is, but I hardly believe that it will happen much- but still, that they might have a beter chance to save some mony.

Good is, that F4F will have more grip on the studios to avoid all those horrible accidents.

Wrong is in my opinion, that models may not give their email address to who they want to give. By what law f4f can do that? And what harm can it do to the models if they do?

About the mob, in Russia, nothing happends without contole by the mob or the SFB. I know, my brother had a factory in furniture in Russia.

So fair chance the studios there are owed by the mob, or controled by the mob, thats almost the same.

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Created by: w8

12/20/06 @ 9:15pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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hmm guys we seem to be losing the thread of this issue, we wanted the spb studios to make the equipment work so that at least we could take guys pvt and enjoy as well as support them..

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Created by: appel

12/21/06 @ 4:08am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Thanks w8.

You are wright, by taking pvt we can support the models, and I do.

On the other hand, I hope you can agree with what I said about what f4f can do about the workinconditions for the models, not for me, just for them.

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Created by: mishok

12/21/06 @ 8:02am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Australia
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yes we are getting off the point...
please indulge me just once more.

I did not dispute the figures on life expectancy... so why would I want to surf the net to find them?

I did read several times what was written about your country... and as I said it is not within f4f's controll how individual countries work.

As for bank accounts... some spb studios have been using individual bank accounts for models for a long time now... possibly not all studios use them, but they are available.

By what law can f4f stop models giving out their e-mail addresses? By the rules that f4f have for all those models who use the access to the i-net service and agree to the conditions regarding access to the site system f4f provide. This is not disimilar to policies many major companies have regarding personal use.

It would seem you are not happy with the rules f4f dont have and the rules they do have.

Sorry to have gone off topic guys... but I feel it is important to try get correct info in some matters.

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Created by: appel

12/21/06 @ 1:55pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Ok,

Just about half an hour I was in pvt with the model Domir, and gues what did happen?

Again the connection did crash, and the connection is still unstable with that model. This was the second time in 4 days, that's a record f4f can be proud of.

This time I took 15 mins for it, and even it did happen 5 mins before the end, the whole pvt was worthless by this, because it was all ment to give some extra pvt at a model, as we talked here about.

Right now, I feel very sick about this.

I am very glad now that my vip membership will end soon.

And yes, the workconditions of the members stinks in my opinion.

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Created by: appel

12/21/06 @ 1:56pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Sorry I ment the workconditions of the models.

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Created by: kevin905

12/23/06 @ 2:41am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: NY
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Same thing happeened to me. I just e-mailed asking for the time I spent entering and exiting trying to get it to work.

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Created by: w8

12/23/06 @ 5:45am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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VS-JAMIE-----WE NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE???SEEMS ITS HAPPENING REGULARLY...............

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Created by: appel

12/23/06 @ 5:50am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Thanks Kevin for telling this.

Not for me, but for helping the models. They need our support. It's bad for them too- when this al the times happen, when that happen- they are more victim than we. Remember always- we are the rich, and they are the poor.

On the other hand, it seemed to be that f4f cant diliver us what we pay for, and this happends so many times, that in my opinion we can talk about swindling.

Swindling us, but more badly- swindling they, who are so depending on our generrosity. That stinks!

I hope that every one who had the same experience will talk about that here, if we do all- maybe f4f will make shure that the studio's they work with, will invest in better equipment.

This for the joy of us, and the benefit of the models.

Help me guys, they need our support- and it cost us nothing.

In their name, thanks.

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