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Male Performer Chat: Nudity? Should customers have to ask for it?

Created by: phil_usa

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Created by: paperpunch09

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Members can whisper to models; models can not whisper to members. (Phil beat me in posting first)

As others have said members have to tell a model what they want to see. A model looks to the member in private for direction--if none is given the model tries their best to give that member a good show.

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Created by: male4622

6/4/11 @ 12:24pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I have never had this problem for two reasons. Usually, I state what I want early in the pvt. If I don't get what I want, I end it. To my recollection, for other than technical reasons, I've ended probably four or five pvts. early. Usually due to a model providing something different than what I asked for. I politely say thanks for the show, and I go.

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Created by: Basil Thompson

6/4/11 @ 12:39pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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This sort of ties into my thread titled "Communication". Though in the case of Male, it sounds like in those bad cases you're communicating what you want, but the model isn't providing it, which is too bad.

I had my first technical glitch the other night

but the member was very understanding...once I finally was able to get back online. He called and got reimbursed for the minute we lost together, I stroked for a bit in open chat to get us both 'ready' again, and we resumed in private where we'd left off. It was a very hot session and we both had a blast. Literally.

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Whispering is just the opposite of what you stated.

Really? I don't understand.. I am sure that a model whispered to me a few weeks ago.

hmmm...

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Created by: phil_usa

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Really? I don't understand.. I am sure that a model whispered to me a few weeks ago.

hmmm...

Did he have his audio on!!!!

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Created by: Jake Trenton

6/4/11 @ 6:04pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that my top fans (awesome guys... I don't work with jerks lol) would be rather put-off if I got nude as soon as the private started. Then again, I think it depends on how the model portrays themselves. I don't do the "yeah, i'm so fuckin' hot and horny" thing in open chat, so it would be a little unrealistic for someone to expect me to just start stripping as soon as a private starts because it's uncharacteristic. However, if someone says they want to see me do something as soon as the private starts, I'll do it, and with enthusiasm!

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Created by: domenicdutch2010

6/4/11 @ 6:31pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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People would think that 1/10 guys may take you into pvt just to chat, but really that's not the case. A LOT of guys will take you into pvt for just chat, or some chat followed by a show. I've had some of my regular fans get angry with me for taking off my clothes too early in the pvt, and have even asked to put my clothes back on or cover up until they were ready.

There are so many different things that people want. I do try to feel them out, if it's someone I've never been in pvt with before I do tend to ask if they'd like to see me naked, but the answer is suprisingly not always yes!

I do see the points made in the thread. Overall though, I'd have to disagree. Models do need some guidance from their customers about what they'd like to see.

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Created by: alberich

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You are a generous and thoughtful guy for doing that! Nice!
However, I have seen a lot of disappointed people who were too shy to ask for nudity and cut their shows short when they didn't get it.

Also, chatters cannot whisper to models. They don't see it. Only models can whisper to chatters.

For all of those disappointed people (however you found out they were) maybe read this topic:
http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=4&thread_id=1149&num_posts=136 - it's within the straight forum - but maybe there is some truth within also for you guys.
Models only can whisper to you in a show - but you can whisper a model anytime. And sometimes it is a good idea to send a mail before pvt to ask for a special show content.
As long as you won't say what you want the model can't know it

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Created by: Basil Thompson

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Created by: ronnie-uk

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For all of those disappointed people (however you found out they were) maybe read this topic:

http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=4&thread_id=1149&num_posts=136

- it's within the straight forum - but maybe there is some truth within also for you guys.
Models only can whisper to you in a show - but you can whisper a model anytime. And sometimes it is a good idea to send a mail before pvt to ask for a special show content.
As long as you won't say what you want the model can't know it

Thanks, Alberich. The first post in that thread is brilliant. Sensible advice, written in a fun way. Everyone seemed to agree with it.

When I first started here I thought that models might think I was simply trying to save money by discussing the show in free beforehand. Then I saw some of the VODs that resulted where I didn't do that: models sometimes changing the cam position and lighting and moving the furniture in the middle. That didn't look good. So I now make simple requests in free just before the show and more specific requests in separate messages in advance.

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Created by: Basil Thompson

6/5/11 @ 11:34am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Ronnie, my jobs have always been centered around customer service.

My motto has always been to save people money, treat them good and not milk them. Sure, you'd get more money in any business if you milk and beat the customer the first time around, but I want to give them a good experience that makes them want to come back.

That said, I'm all about saving money and time before private. I don't want a guy to think "Dammit, he wasted a whole minute and 10 seconds getting that toy, that thing arranged, moving like this, and asking what I wanted." A lot of my guys don't have the money right now to spend tons of time in private, so I try to be respectful of that and show them as good of a time as I can in the time we have allotted.. be it 5 minutes or 35.

That minute that you paid for we would have spent getting prepped, now can be a minute spent on more fun. You were going to spend it with me anyway. I'd rather be using it to have fun! So I don't think it's "cheap" when we do the prep work beforehand, or cover what we're going to share and do. Does that make sense?

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Created by: male4622

6/6/11 @ 1:47pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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A lot of models are very reluctant about getting naked in their parties and shows. Quite often, a model will be chatting in private for 5, 10, 15 minutes or more and never take off any clothes. I think just about all the models will take off clothes if asked, but the problem is - the chatter should not have to ask. It should be assumed that they will take off their clothes when someone tips enough or goes into a private show. I do want to see certain models nude, but I don't want to have to ask them to take off the clothes. Basically, considering the type of website this is, and the considerable cost for the tips and privates, I think it should be assumed that the customer wants and expects nudity. Even this week, I have seen very generous customers take a model private for nearly two hours, and the model never took off any clothing. Afterwards, the model offered to take off clothing for a small tip. The customer was very disappointed that the model didn't take off any clothing in the private show that cost several hundred dollars. A lot of the models have very attractive bodies, and the reason people spend money is to see those magnificent bodies.

Basically, I think it should be assumed that the model will get nude when the money is coming in. :twocents

I totally and respectfully disagree. Some people have become good friends with models and it's become quite awkward to ask their friend to get naked. They come here to support their friends.

It's different strokes for different folks. You should never assume anything...especially here. Many of the models are at different stages of understanding a multitude of languages. Clear communication is a must...even if it means you use a translator, like I have.

I'd say 99 percent of the privates I've had here have been exactly what I wanted.

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