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Created by: ourjeffie

3/19/07 @ 7:15am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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the studios pay for cameras, fryte, also for computers, internet connection, and all other expenses of running a studio

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Created by: appel

3/19/07 @ 7:16am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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maybe you tell me if they make better cameras does flirt pay or models

To answer your question.
If the studios invest in better equipment- so it doesn't drop dead al the times, than members can tip the models better.
In the first place- the studios have to invest, and it's Flirt who has to take care about that.
After all- Flirt pays those studios, and not the way around.
Second, Flirt can do something about the fact that the studios take a 40% from what we tip the models, in my opinion is this robbery and slavery.
Again- Flirt can do that, Flirt pays the studios, and again- its not the way around.
It's only Flirt who decides with which studios they want to work, and again- it's not the way around.
In every busyness it's common sence: Who pays- sets the rules.
Why should this be different in the sexbusyness?
So, the cams are real shit and the workingconditions for the models are real shit too in SPb.
But after all- this can be happen in cowboy states like Russia, and Flirt knows that all to well.

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Created by: ourjeffie

3/19/07 @ 7:33am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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appel, one day you say "May we have some litle compassion with them from you?" and the next day you say "I never did or will do count you to them who don't have compassion"

I'm sorry I keep missing something

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Created by: appel

3/19/07 @ 8:03am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I still believe that your constant whining about something over which we have no control achieves
nothing, and certainly does not help the models in any way
I suggested a long time ago that Flirt4Free have gone into hiding and are no longer responding to issues raised in these forums, and they have confirmed this by their ongoing lack of response to many significant issues raised here
And now they explain their lack of response by saying that the forums were designed for members to communicate with EACH OTHER and that we should raise technical issues with Support
In other words, the forums now are simply to enable us to let off steam and communicate with EACH OTHER, not to bring matters to the attention of Flirt4Free
Complaining here will achieve nothing

ourjeffie,

If you read back- you will not find any word from me within I do accuse you from having no compassion.
The question: May we have.......from you, was not ment that you have no compassion, but may we have from you.
I do undestand that I better should have formulated that in other words.
But still I do believe that if every member here should stand up- Flirt will have to do something.
But only if we do all.

appel.

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Created by: dgtgr

3/21/07 @ 2:39am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Appel I appreciate much your will to 'fight the bad dragon'. I shake ur hands. Maybe as far as I know we are compatitors to same model, I am and will be in your side. So GO ON appel

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Created by: appel

3/21/07 @ 6:20am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Appel I appreciate much your will to 'fight the bad dragon'. I shake ur hands. Maybe as far as I know we are compatitors to same model, I am and will be in your side. So GO ON appel

DGTGR thaks for your support.
No we are not compatitors- butI do hope we are frienly for the same models, after all- the more the better for them.
It's realy crasy. If buyers would be treaten like this when they buy even the litlest things in an other shop- I think the world would be to small.
And now we are constantly robbed and cheated by Flirt with those shit cams in SPb.
It's realy inconceivable that only so few members do protest against this. Maybe the others like to be robbed and cheated al the time very much.
That I stay on Flirt has no other reason than I like to go on to protest against the way Flirt and the studios treat the models- real slavery.
To help models I know better ways, believe me.
But again- thanks for your support.
I do wish that there where more people like you, but yeah the flirt of the month, and the biggest dick- and other things- you know they are to important, more than being robbed and cheated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
appel.

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Created by: lambo6

3/21/07 @ 11:25pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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DEAR OURJEFFRY:
WE DO HAPPEN TO BE GOOD FRIENDS AND SHARE MANY HOPES
OPINIONS AND IDEAS.REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK AND SAY (WHICH IS NORMALY A LOT IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD AND SUBJECT) PEOPLE CAN ALSO BE FRIENDLY AND CARING.
THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT AND BELIVE
YOU ME...YOU DON'T KNOW THEM ALL.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU ARE SO HOSTILE TOWARDS APPLE
OR ANY ONE THAT AGREES WITH HIM BUT I BELIVE IN THIS OCCASSION TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE THE BETTER GENTLEMAN YOU SEEM TO BE,AN APOLOGY IS DUE.
WE ARE MANY THAT ARE HIS FRIENDS.
WITH ALL MY RESPECT AND WAMEST REGARDS.
P.S. I ADMIRE YOUR VAST KNOWLEDGE AND YOUR WELL WRITTEN AND RESEARCHED POSTINGS.YOUR ACURATE AND
WELL THOUGHT OUT PHRASING MAKES ME WISH SOME DAY I COULD GET TO EXPRESS MYSELF WITH SUCH A FLUENCY.

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Created by: ourjeffie

3/22/07 @ 5:41am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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lambo6, aka louisphillippe :

Please don't confuse honesty with hostility

appel has his opinions and he expresses them, I have my opinions and I express them

I disagree with the way appel goes about achieving his ends, and I am honest enough to say so ... this is not hostility

I don't believe I need to apologise for being honest and outspoken

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Created by: ourjeffie

3/22/07 @ 6:31am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: appel

3/22/07 @ 7:39am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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appel :
There are about 150 studios in Saint Petersburg, some large, some small
Most studios have girl models only, some have girls and guys, some have couples, and a few have guys only
Some studios feed Flirt4Free exclusively, some feed Flirt4Free and other sites, and some feed other sites only
In your opinion, which studios have the shit cams, and which studios have cams which you regard as acceptable?

ourjeffie,
I don't now which of those studios in SPb have the shitcams because I don't now them all, and it's quiet obvious that we are only talking about studios who work for Flirt, and in this case them with the male models.
But I think that it's easy for you too to see that there are studios in SPb wiht equipment which is shit- and there is nothing that tells me that it will change in neare future. Quiet obvious is that if a cam drops dead- or give a unstable and bad image, we have bad equipment. That's not difficult to see I think. And yet this still happens many times, in fact far too many in my opinion.
Again: WHO PAYS- DECIDE FOR WHAT HE PAYS!!!!!
And again: FLIRT PAYS THE STUDIOS - NOT THE WAY AROUND!!!!!
So as long as WE pay Flirt- may we aske than for to get for what we pay, or is that a silly question?
Flirt makes a gangster business out of this, and in my opinion is every member who doesn't stand up against this a fool!!!!!!!!
Again, if this would be happen in any other business- the word would be to small.
appel.

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Created by: louisphillippe

3/22/07 @ 6:41pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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DEAR SIR: YOU ERRONEOUSLY LABELED APPEL AS A PERSON
WITH OPINIONS SHARED BY FEW IF ANY, AND HE ONLY CALLED FRIENDS TO THE ONES THAT AGREE WITH HIM.MY OBJECTION WAS THAT JUST LIKE APPEL WE ARE DOZENS
OF PEOPLE WITH THE SAME SENSITIVITIES AND IDEAS.IN LOVE AND WAR EVERYTHING IS FAIR. IN ROME 39 B.C. A SENATOR FOR 15 YEARS ENDED EVERY SPEECH REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT OR THEME WITH THE WORDS "DELENDA EST CARTAGO" (WE MUST DESTROY CARTAGO)A RIVAL RICH PORT CITY. FINALLY THE SENATE WAS SO FED UP WITH THE SENATOR THEY INVADED AND DESTROY CARTAGO. THE SYSTEM WORKS ONLY IF YOU PERSIST.HONESTY AND HOSTILITY ARE SEPARATED BY A VERY THIN LINE.MANY OF US DESAGREE WITH YOU STARTING A THREAD ONLY FOR APPEL TO VENT HIS IDEAS HERE AND KEEP THEM AWAY FROM THE MASSES HENCE ISOLATING HIM.PLEASE SIR,UNDERSTAND WE ALL DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.NO ONE IS TRYING TO ROB YOU OF YOUR OF YOUR RIGHTS. JUST IGNORE HIM AND US,DON'T READ,KEEP GOING.BUT DON'T SINGLE US OUT.
I ONLY WISH FOR AN AGREEMENT AND END TO THIS SILLYNESS.THERE ARE NO WINNERS OR LOOSERS.
LOUIS PHILLIPE DE BRAGANCE.

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Created by: ourjeffie

3/23/07 @ 3:38am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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louisphillippe, aka lambo6 :

I don't believe I ever stated that few if any people agree with appel. My comment was that appel regards anyone who agrees with him as a dear friend, and that he regards anyone who has an opinion of an interest which is different from his as stupid. In fact in his latest post he says that anyone who doesn't follow his ideology is a fool

Thanks for the history lesson, but I think you must admit that things have changed a little since 39 BC. One significant difference between your illustration and the present situation is that the Roman Senate had no option but to listen to the senator, whereas there is no requirement for Flirt4Free to take any notice of what is posted in these forums. Perhaps you believe that if you end every speech, regardless of subject or theme, with "but what about the shit cams in SPB?" that Flirt4Free will sit up and take notice? I don't think so. Or perhaps you believe that members will become so fed up with appel that they will invade and destroy the headquarters of Flirt4Free in California? I don't think so

In these forums all threads are accessible by all members, so I fail to see how starting a new thread could alienate appel from the masses. appel even thanked me for starting this thread

You say that you have observed my postings in other threads, if this is the case you will have seen that I have often been very critical of Flirt4Free myself. However Flirt4Free is running a legitimate business, and it serves no purpose to describe them as "gangsters" and "robbers" as appel does.

Finally louisphillippe, I say farewell to you. I note that today is March 23, and that you made a final and irreversible decision to resign from this noble institution on this date

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Created by: appel

3/23/07 @ 6:59am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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louisphillippe, aka lambo6 :
I don't believe I ever stated that few if any people agree with appel. My comment was that appel regards anyone who agrees with him as a dear friend, and that he regards anyone who has an opinion of an interest which is different from his as stupid. In fact in his latest post he says that anyone who doesn't follow his ideology is a fool
Thanks for the history lesson, but I think you must admit that things have changed a little since 39 BC. One significant difference between your illustration and the present situation is that the Roman Senate had no option but to listen to the senator, whereas there is no requirement for Flirt4Free to take any notice of what is posted in these forums. Perhaps you believe that if you end every speech, regardless of subject or theme, with "but what about the shit cams in SPB?" that Flirt4Free will sit up and take notice? I don't think so. Or perhaps you believe that members will become so fed up with appel that they will invade and destroy the headquarters of Flirt4Free in California? I don't think so

In these forums all threads are accessible by all members, so I fail to see how starting a new thread could alienate appel from the masses. appel even thanked me for starting this thread
You say that you have observed my postings in other threads, if this is the case you will have seen that I have often been very critical of Flirt4Free myself. However Flirt4Free is running a legitimate business, and it serves no purpose to describe them as "gangsters" and "robbers" as appel does.
Finally louisphillippe, I say farewell to you. I note that today is March 23, and that you made a final and irreversible decision to resign from this noble institution on this date

ourjeffie, may I aske why you defend Flirt so strongly? Is it so difficult to see that if we don't get what we pay for- and it doesn't stop, that we can talk about robbery and cheating?
Ourjeffie, do you have financial interest in Flirt?
appel

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Created by: ourjeffie

3/23/07 @ 8:15am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: appel

3/23/07 @ 10:01am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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appel :
I have no financial interest in Flirt4Free, and I don't see anywhere, in any of my posts, where I have defended Flirt4Free strongly, or at all. In many of my posts in many threads I have been highly critical of Flirt4Free
What I said in my previous post in this thread is that Flirt4Free is running a legitimate business, and that therefore it serves no purpose to describe them as gangsters or robbers. Gangsters and robbers operate illegally, Flirt4Free does not. This is a statement of fact, not a defence of Flirt4Free

ourjeffie, as long as Flirt doesn't deliver that what we are paying for than it stinks, and in no other business would that be accepted.
We pay for good camera work, and not for cams who drop dead or deliver bad images.
As long as this still happens than in my opinion is this robbery and cheating, whatever you think.
appel.

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Created by: rox

3/23/07 @ 11:37am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: appel

3/23/07 @ 1:13pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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guys................maybe we should all direct our energies to f4f to get the cameras in the studios into a moe acceptable standard!!!-hitting at each other will not have any effect to that objective at all

Rox, you'r abselutely right.
Let we all direct our energies to get indeed more acceptable cams instead of a lot of shit cams we have now.
So let all members speak out loud and clear.
appel.

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Created by: ourjeffie

3/23/07 @ 2:11pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Rox : have guys here been hitting at each other?

Tell me who they are and I'll punch them out! :orglaugh

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Created by: brandon2807

3/23/07 @ 4:25pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I think the only honourable thing to do is . . . .

to settle this with SABRES at DAWN !!

:winkwink

The sabre or saber (see spelling differences) traces its origins to the European backsword

and usually but not always has a curved, single-edged blade and a rather large hand guard, covering the knuckles of the hand as well as the thumb and forefinger.

Although sabres are typically thought of as curved-bladed slashing weapons,

those used by the world's heavy cavalry often had straight and even double-edged blades more suitable for thrusting.

:winkwink

thrusting!!

now there is a new twist to a sabre duel!

:bowdown

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Created by: ourjeffie

3/24/07 @ 1:00am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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ok, after that little bit of welcome frivolity, let's get back on topic ...

Over the last 2-3 days I have spent considerable time visiting many models' rooms, both in Saint Petersburg and in other locations, using both Flirt4Free and other sites. Of course it cost me nothing to do this, because I visited only open rooms, and at Flirt4Free we pay only when we take a model private

I have to say that the quality of the images in open rooms varies from poor to excellent, but this applies not only to the Saint Petersburg studios but also to rooms in the other locations I visited. Some studios, in Saint Petersburg and elsewhere, have both old and new equipment, which is to be expected

There were some rooms where the image quality was so poor, in my opinion, that I would not consider going private with the model who happened to be in the room at the time. However this did not deter others from going private with that model

It seems to me to be logical that if you don't consider the image quality to be of a satisfactory standard in a particular model's open room, then you don't go private with that model at that time. It seems to me to be illogical to go private with a model, and then complain about being robbed because the image quality was unsatisfactory. It seems to me that is is always possible to assess the room's image quality in open room at no cost ... or am I missing something again?

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