Its a premium site with premium models.

Tough to find.

KJ



It is also a site with premium CLIENTS able and willing to

pay $6 a minute for privates. Guess what is easier to find in times

of worldwide recession KJ ? Models or MEMBERS?

After over 3 years here as a member I can tell you everything IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE


From way back then there are ONLY 3 models left and many VIP's are still around.

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Flirt is the best i ever worked on, but when you reach a certain point when everybody is happy with some changes could just ruin the harmony between models and members and also VS, i'm not complaining just saying my opinion








Right now we are all divided in 3 groups: Members,models and management.

Take anyone one of those elements out and we have CHAOS.!!!

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Very well put guys and I have to agree with "EVERYONE" as we all have our reasons to agree/disagree with the changes.

Again...hopefully "EVERYONE" can give it time to see if its working or not.

Are there other sites...of course there are but from my viewing pleasure none as good as flirt especially with regards to the peep show curtains.

Unfortunately there are lots of members that HAVE abused the curtain feature and its sad that THEY have caused the reason for a change that seemingly could have stayed considering we obviously have some QUALITY members that enjoy the perk.

I can't speak for VS but as a model and studio owner its tough to know/hear about the constant "thanks for the free shows" knowing you have a QUALITY member paying for the private.

It actually is an insult to the model and the quality member who sees the value in the service they are getting.

If anything we should be upset with those that have made it an issue that required some change.

Its impossible to please everyone and obviously for both models and members there are MANY that are ok and not ok with the changes.

Lets ride it out and assume that VS played it right...they have been around a long time and the rest of us ALL have to trust that they are doing things to benefit both the models and members equally.

Upsetting either side to much would collapse the business model.

Lets ride it out and see what NEW implementation can happen that will add to the experience now that this change was made.

I'm up for a LONG TERM MEMBER appreciation day of some sort or the idea of possibly giving Members of X AMOUNT of minutes some kind of special ONGOING discount aside from promo days!

KJ Quote

Very well put guys and I have to agree with "EVERYONE" as we all have our reasons to agree/disagree with the changes.

Again...hopefully "EVERYONE" can give it time to see if its working or not.

Are there other sites...of course there are but from my viewing pleasure none as good as flirt especially with regards to the peep show curtains.

Unfortunately there are lots of members that HAVE abused the curtain feature and its sad that THEY have caused the reason for a change that seemingly could have stayed considering we obviously have some QUALITY members that enjoy the perk.

I can't speak for VS but as a model and studio owner its tough to know/hear about the constant "thanks for the free shows" knowing you have a QUALITY member paying for the private.

It actually is an insult to the model and the quality member who sees the value in the service they are getting.

If anything we should be upset with those that have made it an issue that required some change.

Its impossible to please everyone and obviously for both models and members there are MANY that are ok and not ok with the changes.

Lets ride it out and assume that VS played it right...they have been around a long time and the rest of us ALL have to trust that they are doing things to benefit both the models and members equally.

Upsetting either side to much would collapse the business model.

Lets ride it out and see what NEW implementation can happen that will add to the experience now that this change was made.

I'm up for a LONG TERM MEMBER appreciation day of some sort or the idea of possibly giving Members of X AMOUNT of minutes some kind of special ONGOING discount aside from promo days!

KJ



Well put, Kevin, I couldn't have said it any better. Quote

I'm sure you could but way waste all the finger time when it can be used to explore your body;)

Have a good one A.D.

KJ Quote

Hey Arcady...i am agree regarding the grey's,to not be able to regoster without a credit card...regarding the courtains,,its more better the way they r now..opening not so often like before.because..this way many of them were jerking off in our room,while we were in pvt...just watching those courtains opening...its excellent that they r opening rarely,and it takes a short time..its enough for them to make an ideea about what happening in pvt...they want a a lot,for nothing
Regarding contest,yes..they got cheaper...doing 2 days contest for less money,but..in the end..its better than nothing..dont u think?))

Regards



Hadess



I'm afraid anybody using the "curtains" tenth of a second views to have FUN would never pay

$6 a minute for a private .... Right??



I agree the prizes got cheaper,but not our dues.We didn't make the changes...


It is just my point of view. Quote

flirt used to be 1 of a kind but now the same as other sites with highest cost for pvts. the curtains closing has done that. and models who want it also work on the sites that do it. and they are the ones who want it. i did not see any members complain about it but a couple of models aggree with it. not the models who do not care that we see them in pvt and are actually happy that they made us happy. the models who have been here forever seems to now want the curtains closing more? Quote

I really could not care less about the curtains. Keep them closed !

If you want to know whats going on behind them ...join the show ... and if you dont like it ...get out.

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I'm sure you could but way waste all the finger time when it can be used to explore your body;)

Have a good one A.D.

KJ



Ha ha, thanx bud Quote

Until reading the forum I hadn't known that grays were now allowed to register as whites. Three years ago when I first came to F4F I didn't know a gray from a white from a gold. As a gray, or as most spell it here following the British custom, "grey," I took several models private before discovering I could register as a white. At first, when I saw conversation about grays, I didn't know what the chat was about and didn't realize I was in that disdained category. At that time I didn't notice being ignored by the models. Even after I became a gold I usually entered chat as a white, so as to avoid too much attention. Now I'm a white again.

Several times I've whispered to my favorite models, "Thank you for chatting with the grays. Every white and gold member came first to this site as a gray."

That, I suspect, is the reason Flirt changed its policy. F4F needs new customers. If a first-time visitor is ignored by the models he visits he's likely not to return. If the models at least acknowledge his presence he's more likely to stick around. If he visits often he'll soon realize that F4F is the best site, both in the quality of its models and in the amenities of membership. Even now as a white I sometimes enter a model's room for the first time with a favorable impression, willing to be seduced, but if he ignores my greeting or makes no response after the "hi," he and F4F are the losers.

I realize that from a model's perspective dealing with grays is often an annoying waste of time. Fourteen-year-olds have no business here, and usually lack credit cards even if they claime to be of age. Others are freeloaders who'll never spend a dime. But one of ten, perhaps of five, is a potential member, and of those few, rare ones might turn out to be huge spenders.

The annoyance to the model, therefore, might occasionally pay off for him, his studio and F4F. Models have a difficult job, however, and I appreciate how exhausting it must be to sit alone for hours upon hours, staying friendly and alert, reading chat from grays (or grays disguised in white) that is often moronic and sometimes insulting.



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Until reading the forum I hadn't known that grays were now allowed to register as whites. Three years ago when I first came to F4F I didn't know a gray from a white from a gold. As a gray, or as most spell it here following the British custom, "grey," I took several models private before discovering I could register as a white. At first, when I saw conversation about grays, I didn't know what the chat was about and didn't realize I was in that disdained category. At that time I didn't notice being ignored by the models. Even after I became a gold I usually entered chat as a white, so as to avoid too much attention. Now I'm a white again.

Several times I've whispered to my favorite models, "Thank you for chatting with the grays. Every white and gold member came first to this site as a gray."

That, I suspect, is the reason Flirt changed its policy. F4F needs new customers. If a first-time visitor is ignored by the models he visits he's likely not to return. If the models at least acknowledge his presence he's more likely to stick around. If he visits often he'll soon realize that F4F is the best site, both in the quality of its models and in the amenities of membership. Even now as a white I sometimes enter a model's room for the first time with a favorable impression, willing to be seduced, but if he ignores my greeting or makes no response after the "hi," he and F4F are the losers.

I realize that from a model's perspective dealing with grays is often an annoying waste of time. Fourteen-year-olds have no business here, and usually lack credit cards even if they claime to be of age. Others are freeloaders who'll never spend a dime. But one of ten, perhaps of five, is a potential member, and of those few, rare ones might turn out to be huge spenders.

The annoyance to the model, therefore, might occasionally pay off for him, his studio and F4F. Models have a difficult job, however, and I appreciate how exhausting it must be to sit alone for hours upon hours, staying friendly and alert, reading chat from grays (or grays disguised in white) that is often moronic and sometimes insulting.







I would have to agree with the point you made on here. now that regular memebers can't see the grays can be both a good thing and a bad thing. Good because we now dont have to put up with their annoying ranting, but even that doesn't help the model at all since he is still able to see them. On the other hand it's not such a good thing cuz only a small amount of them were actually friendly and makes the rooms feel a little empty without them. I have recently found out that grays can become members with out a credit card after reading this post, and that was one of the biggest mistakes they could have done on here. why? because now who knows if they're really of age and we have to deal with some of those annoying grays that show up as whites and start to pick at the models, being very dissrespectful. i have no idea how many times i myself along with other members have had to stand up against those "fake" whites after insulting our favorite model on here which in the end becomes an argument and making us feel bad for argueing in that models room, but we only do so because we care. Lets just hope that things will eventually settle down and end in good terms Quote

I totally agree with u, rude people, and underage kids should stay away from flirt, some whites get banned from flirt fo being really naughty and rude, now if there is no credit card he can log in as many times he wants and be rude again.. being rude it's like a sport, maybe funny for them.. but not for nice members and models.

With love.. Arcady Quote