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Created by: tom_s

11/26/10 @ 3:03pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Yes, some hosts will accept you just for the conversation but that maybe their way of letting you get to know them, improving the atmosphere in the room and hoping it will lead to you paying for something in the future.

Perhaps Admin ought to consider a new membership title, GATECRASHER , FREELOADER or BEGGAR because those that stay without an invite ****or leave as they are unable to tip****, that is what they are.

(asterisks added by Tom_S)

Your reasoning completely escapes me.

For some time now,and for the foreseeable future, I am unable to purchase ANY credits on Flirt. Like some other longtime chatters, I don't feel comfortable staying in a Party Chat room, even with a model's ok; so I quietly leave.

I sure don't see how this would qualify me as a "...GATECRASHER, FREELOADER or BEGGAR..."

Just my 2 rubles.

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Created by: tickler335

11/26/10 @ 6:10pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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What is there to ponder? How long had the others been in the room before the model warned them about booting if not tipping? Did he boot you immediately?

It seems to me that a tremendous number of VIP's, Registered Members and Unregistered Members are just thinking of the Party Chat rooms as a free place to see some action at the expense of the minority that tip.
For all those that do not tip, why don't you consider them more like the Semi Private, Multiuser or Voyeur rooms where you have to pay?

Alternatively think of it as a Party. At most Party's you are expected or it is common decency to bring a bottle or gift for the host. Here that is a TIP.
For that reason I cannot see why people are surprised if they are threatened or actually banned (bounced from the Party) for not tipping.

Yes, some hosts will accept you just for the conversation but that maybe their way of letting you get to know them, improving the atmosphere in the room and hoping it will lead to you paying for something in the future.

Perhaps Admin ought to consider a new membership title, GATECRASHER , FREELOADER or BEGGAR because those that stay without an invite or leave as they are unable to tip, that is what they are.

:twocents

Since unregistered members can't tip because they are, unregistered, they fall into the free show category. My original point was that I do not stay in a model's room if it goes into PartyChat and I have no credits to contribute. Izzi gave his opinion and I was reacting to that opinion. My feeling still is that if I have credits and can tip, I stay. If I do not, I leave unless I've been asked to stay by the model. There was some discussion before the fact about how this party chat would play out and it's going pretty much as expected. I don't like it, personally and I feel it has cheapened this site. By the way, when I said that there was another thing to ponder, I didn't stay in the model's room long enough to find out, I left immediately because I had no credits with which to tip him. It is just another model's reaction as opposed to Izzi's point of view. That gives a basis for comparison and therefore something to ponder.

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Created by: petek

11/26/10 @ 7:46pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Heart of England
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Perhaps Admin ought to consider a new membership title, GATECRASHER , FREELOADER or BEGGAR because those that stay without an invite ****or leave as they are unable to tip****, that is what they are.

(asterisks added by Tom_S)

Your reasoning completely escapes me.

Tom_S - It may not escape you if I explain and thank you for drawing to my attention to the two words "DO NOT" that I erroneously omitted in my previous post.
The sentence should have read :-

because those that stay without an invite or DO NOT leave as they are unable to tip, that is what they are.
:bowdown

Tickler335 - It seems you did the honorable thing and left as you had nothing to bring to the party.
I, not realising you want us to compare it to the Izzy ideology, presumed that you were just asking us to ponder over what this model intended to do and the rights and wrongs of booting non-tippers.

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Created by: louisphillippe

11/26/10 @ 7:57pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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BRAVO!!

My point exactly.Models as well as F4F have chosen this problematic and
less than productive system for the models. :mad

All the models have a different attitude about tippers and non tippers,stay or go chat or don't chat Party System...
:mad

The problem are not just the non tippers but the childish expectation of the models to be tipped by all or most of the viewers when we all well know the FREETARDS and the ones unable to pay for even the minimal tip are always going to take advantage of a free show paid by others.
:winkwink

You are right on:nothing to ponder....Models should NOT use
such a failure of a system in which they claim not to make money. :drinkup

In the other hand lots of models are using the PARTY CHAT system but they better forget it about 30,50,60, 80 or 90 % of customers ALL contributing to a show with a tip.
:drinkup

It is human nature:never pay for something someone else is paying for if you don't have to!!!! :evil

Go back to the basics.

Private or Voyeur and NO ONE gets hurt. :guitar

In the other hand I still have to wait for a loooong time to see what a model is doing during a private to either join him or leave...(so many typing shows!!!) :helpme

Does it make any sense to keep those curtains closed for so long when models are doing all kind of crazy things in open room elsewhere???? :smoking

Someone must be getting some benefit out of it or it wouldn't be in place... :orglaugh

Don't kill me please.. I'm just the messenger!!!
It is
Just my :twocents

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Created by: petek

11/26/10 @ 8:16pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Does it make any sense to keep those curtains closed for so long when models are doing all kind of crazy things in open room elsewhere????:

Somewhat off the topic :offtopic

of this thread but a very valid point to which I would add:-

Why when entering a room when a Private is already in progress does it take so long for the curtains to open for the first time before it can be considered whether to join a multi-user show or voyeur?
f4f and the model have probably lost at least a minute of my credits should I enter after waiting but frequently I have moved on before they open.

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Created by: chinmusic

11/26/10 @ 8:30pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Party chat sidebar.

Suppose, hypothetically, that you had a very disappointing private with a model. The basics, such as getting hard, never happened.

Shortly thereafter you noticed said model in party chat. Would you feel justified in sitting in for x amount of time without tipping, as compensation? Also, to see whether or not you were acknowledged?

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Created by: louisphillippe

11/26/10 @ 8:31pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Somewhat off the topic :offtopic

Same here!!!!...I have no patience to wait for something I have to pay for.Weather a movie line,a very good restaurant,a taxi line,a supermarket check out or an art exhibit.. :evil

I have better things to do with my valuable time than wait....
:guitar

You are so right!!!...by the times the curtains open up :angel

I'm no longer in "the mood" or lost interest in that particular model altogether !!!
Yes... :offtopic

but still a valid comment about contradictions in F4F...

Again...just my :twocents

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Created by: louisphillippe

11/26/10 @ 8:44pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Just think...If you go to the movies and you hated the one you saw...Would you come back for a different movie for free in the same movie house??? :winkwink

Ever returned to Starbucks for a free refill because you didn't like the first cup you bought?
OR:If you went for dinner to a restaurant and hated the food,would you expect brunch for free the weekend after? :orglaugh

If the model failed to please before I feel you should stay away... :orglaugh

or pay with HYPOTHETICAL credits because sure as hell SOMEONE is paying that model with REAL credits while you just seat there watching for free....

Just my :twocents

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Created by: Izzi

11/30/10 @ 2:28am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Love the feedback,,u guys are great, and are welcome in my room anytime to chill, play or do what ever,, cheers for now

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Created by: chinmusic

11/30/10 @ 6:40am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Would love to chill in your room, Izzi, but I can't, I'm Canadian....lol

Cheers to you too!

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Created by: popperslut

12/23/10 @ 6:01pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Illinois
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Hey guys,,its me,,I know I never come to these forums and am not that popular amongst you guys,,but I just wanted to leave a simple message to all who are interested in reading it...so here goes..

Party chat has been a new addition to the sight,,and seems that everyone is enjoyin it,but there are a few things that I have noticed in my party rooms and several others as well that I think need to be addressed so hear me out..

Most of the time,, out of like 50 or 60 people in a room watching party,5 to 10 of them are tipping while the room patiently waits for the countdown,,sometimes 100 people and only 5 are tipping,,,this to me is very strange,, and in a sense, unfair. Unfair for those that are putting in the money and contributing while others just take the free ride.. I feel bad for those guys k,, the guys that are spending for everyone else...so heres my little theory that I always preech during the peek of my party chats...Everyone needs to work together as a team..I understand 80 percent of custemers have a hard time spending anything at all,, but if everyone just buys just a little bit,and helps pitch in,, think about how much cheaper party chat cumshot countdowns would be...

Lets say you guys are in a room and model wants 1500 for a cum shot, if theres 80 people in the room, why not 30 or 40 of them pitch in 50 credits,,a measly 50 credits,, that way, everyone gets a cum shot for 5 bucks each,, isnt that awsome and cheap,,,the problem is to many people wait for the spenders to pay for the while party chat,,its not fair,, more of u need to get involved, that way its cheaper for everyone and theres way more fun to go around. This theory is not directed to the spenders,, its directed to those who dont spend at all and just watch and wait,,,everyone needs to be connected and act as one.

Also,, I respect those that compliment me while there watching my free show,,this goes for other models as well,,this message is for all you guys that sit there and dont say anything to us while were performing in party chat..we have feelings too,, were humans.. and when we put on a show that ur not contributing to and not even saying anything makes us feel like cheap hores im sorry. We like chatter in our rooms,, the more chatter the more bright the atmosphere becomes, imagine a model sitting there with a full hard on, stroking in front of the cam infront of 70 people, 5 people are tipping and no ones sayin a word,,kinda uncomfortable if u ask me..

Many models complain that they feel like cheap hores sometimes,,including me..but its the audience that makes us feel like that..more of you that are silent, rude, and dont tip, need to get more involved im sorry but it must be said. We can all make this a brighter websight if all you guys started working together, and being a little more respectful to models that preform in party.

Make us like ur company,, not hate it...
Remember..this whole message is directed to those that dont tip, and dont respoond to anything while watching a free show.. for those who do tip and do compliment and keep the room chattery and bright,,thank you for everything,, thank you for making things possible,,its only bc of you guys that were smiling sometimes..hopefully this message will inspire maybe a little handful, but hey,, thats better then nothing,, hopefully its a first step,

The worst is when a model is doing a party and trying really hard to generate, and more then 50 people show up,, no one says anything and watches,, after the party is over bc of lack of tips, everyone just slowly leaves with out saying ANYTHING,, ommmggggg,, that fuckin kills,, it makes us hate you with everything we have,,,,,,,so dont be like that,, dont be the customers we hate, be respectful,, make us feel human..

Thank you for listening,, I hope this will be insightful to some...cheers

PS- Im very sorry,, I have bad grammar and I know I have a ton of spelling mistakes,,but u know what im sayin!

I completely agree with you. As a paying customer who has been in many party chats you're right on the money - there are usually 5 of us shelling out tips for the other 75-80 who are sitting there getting a free show at our expense. Also as a customer - I ALWAYS chat it up with the model - always. I want to know his personality etc etc. I compliment any chance i get - and I thank models when they've done something in party chat that I requested after I'd tipped.

I know some models when they begin to see this trend happening stop and warn these ghost members that they will be kicked from the chat room if they continue to NOT particiapte and tip. These models then give them 5 mins or so to go and buy some credits, etc before kicking them out. I think this is a fair option for models to employ.

However, if there's no party chat going on and I enter the room, I am not going to start throwing money at a model without chatting first and getting to know him. If I enter in the midst of a party chat and i don't have credits, I will still chat but I won't request any specifc acts - becuase I can't tip. In these situations I think the model should give the customer some slack if he is chatting, being civil, etc. The site is called "Flirt4FREE" so I don't see anything wrong with a customer chatting it up with a model outside of any shows.

I do repect the models if the repect is mutual. If I am ignored, the model only hurts himself and I do not return to that model's room ever again.

But back on topic - all you ghost members who sit in the back during party chats while us paying members tip and tip need to step up or step out.

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Created by: kevincalifornia

12/24/10 @ 3:18am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: North of San Francisco, California
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I joined a party chat that went well when I first came to the site. But I didn't go back to the same model. I went private with Izzi later on and it was awesome.

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Created by: Izzi

12/24/10 @ 3:28am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Fuck yaaa,, we had a blast,,nothing beats one on one,,,but when it gets to slow,,i have no choice but to do my special 2 to 3 minute cum shot show,,i need to keep my income,, and party chat has made it difficult,,,,but,,im surviving,, and finding ways to make it better and cheaper for everyone that participates in my party chats,,,to all my fans...oxoxoxox

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Created by: Sebastian Hilton

12/26/10 @ 7:14am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I had a customer take me out of my party chat today because of the crazy requests and demands for 25 credits in tips. It seems to be a theme that especially since you have to be in the top 10% to even do party chats that they arent making us models money, but the one to ones which are fun as hell are. Maybe I am missing something but why because i am in the top 5, i have the privledge of party chat? One to one is for sure the way to go.

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Created by: Izzi

12/31/10 @ 2:01pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Actually Party Chats bein dyin down kinda,,which is good for some. Thanks to all my fans btw,,lovin he one on one with ya guys right now. The privates have been insane,, and i cant get enough,,LOL. Im such a webcam hore eh boys... :drinkup

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Created by: Joey James

1/2/11 @ 7:18pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I think what it really comes down to is dont be such a creeper. Talk to us, dont stare, were not panda bears in a zoo. even if its just to say hi. If you cant tip by all means your more then welcome to stay in party chat with us as long as you contribute in some way weather you are keeping the room alive and exciting or tipping.
Trust me, we models know who makes us feel good and who doesnt. we remember you.

If your really embarrassed for some odd reason there is always whispering.

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Created by: sinbad02

1/2/11 @ 11:34pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Adelaide, Australia
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Izzi and others really useful hearing your thoughts about party chat.

sinbad02

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